Young Master Smeet
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One thing I’ve noticed is the Israeli spokes people keep bringing up the war against ISIS and the casualties that accrued from that: I suspect they are missing just how much the propaganda regime here buried such ideas.
If you look on the Wikipedia page, it shows that 88K ISIS militants were killed, and around 40k civilians (of which 8-13k were killed by the US coalition). The Russians killed 4-6K.
The media coverage was relatively quiet about that (except when Russians hit a hospital on the same day as the US did, it was darkly comic hearing the excuse for the US blast and condemnation for the exact same Russian action.
It’s interesting, digging around, to find out about how Britain implemented rationing in WW1.
Firstly, as with Covid, they really didn’t want to do it, and at first try for voluntary co-operation, followed by decentralised efforts by local authorities (there was, apparently, a massive ding dong in the Ministry of Food, over centralized v. decentralized approaches).
When they did bring it in (January 1918) it seems to have been fairly simple to implement, and just required executive fiat (I wonder if they were using the Defence of the Realm Act – there was no primary legislation).
Also, what I didn’t know about was the huge public kitchens (and how they were integrated into the process of rationing, apparently one in Hammersmith could feed 50K people per day).
Finally, apparently, the long queues were a motivating factor, as they were seen as breeding grounds of dissent and possible Bolsheviks. Labour ministers said that Unions would refuse individual rationing, but actually union members were at the forefront of pushing for rationing, to guarantee they got their share.
@Almamater,
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October 2023 › Forums › General discussion › Music
#247617Off topic, (rule 1); personal message (rule 2).
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I think we’re in danger of straying off the discussion of this thread, I think we can consider the brothers/sisters issue closed, or else move it to another thread.
October 2023 › Forums › General discussion › Anti-Zionism is not anti-semitic
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October 2023 › Forums › General discussion › Anti-Zionism is not anti-semitic
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Anarchist Communist Group have put out a statement:
“Against the barbarism of capitalism and the march towards world war we call for working class unity, internationalism and preparation for mass movements that can implement social revolution and create libertarian communism.”
“The task before the workers of Palestine and Israel is thus no different from the task here. It is only to be conducted in more difficult circumstances. We must build a working class movement, based on liberty, equality and solidarity, and fight for a revolution which will re-make society on the same principles.”
October 2023 › Forums › General discussion › Cost of living crisis
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Not at all, but subordinating the struggle to military discipline and methods is a dangerous distraction, the point is to convert military struggle into political struggle for human rights (not national rights) and use strength as *workers* not as soldiers.
And, again, military action should have a prospect of success: there is no success for this action, all Hamas could do is hope a 3rd party actor will step in against Israel (who have nukes). Suicide by cop is not a political strategy.
That Autistici article is very good, and would be hard to beat: although I would finesse it a bit that while socialist revolution is the optimal solution (and method) immediate peace between capitalist armies on whatever terms is also inherently in the interests of the working class, since war in this form (involving destruction of life and wealth, necessitating military command/control measures, etc.) inherently hinders the establishment of class solidarity. We want revolution, but we’ll take a truce between capitalist states where we can. The surest way to secure peace is working class solidarity.
Communist party of Israel statement
“Nothing justifies crimes and massacres as committed today in the south of Israel. But the writing was on the wall, as I warned for a long time: We will pay a heavy price for the crimes of the occupation, the siege on Gaza and the arrogance of the racist) Kahanist government. There is no military solution, only a political one – the end of the occupation and Palestinian independence.”
So, some people under the repressive regime get it: there is no military solution, only a political one.
The Supernova festival horror will live in historical infamy. The more so, because the killing was personal, done by men on the ground, and systematic, callous and deliberate. innocent youngsters dancing, died.
By the doctrine of worthy and unworthy victims, this, of course, gets the front page news. Palestinian dialysis patients dying because of no electricity; youngsters buried under rouble of bombed out tower blocks; people blown up in their own homes: these too are horrifying (and you have to search the news for details of these, the count is now 493 Palestinian dead, according to the BBC. They’re giving a both sides total of 11 hundred, so that is 600 Israelis (and others).
Apparently, 120,000 are displaced in Gaza, which is about the same number as displaced in Nagorno Karabakh.
As one commentator has noted “Netanyahu’s goal was to manage the Gaza conflict at a sustainable level indefinitely.” That in itself is a crime, perhaps containing within itself all the crimes of the current situation. By the same token, Hamas are facing a legitimacy crisis, as Arab states normalise with Israel.
The dead are pawns to monsters.
So, it’s all kicked off again, sadly. Some parts of social media are going mad in support of the Palestinian resistance taking the fight to Israel.
There’s a resounding noise, from the PM, Sunak, Biden, that ‘Israel has a right to defend itself’ (and, in international law, it does, but proportionately, and towards a just outcome, which they never add).
Israel controls the infrastructure of Gaza (and has apparently cut off the electricity supplies, which will have collateral victims). Israel has also bombed Gazan homes (Hamas having previously bombed Israeli homes).
The interests of workers here is only in ending the violence (including the ongoing unofficial violence by Israeli settlers and security services).
(also, compare the blaring all channels reporting of this, compared to the virtual silence over the Nagorno Karabakh crisis the other day).
This crisis cannot be solved in Israel and Palestine alone.
