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alanjjohnstone wrote:Here is another model you might wish to consider. A plan fully achievable right now, if the majority of people want it. http://www.countercurrents.org/johnstone020514.htm
I read and saw some realistic examples. Actally it can be implemented with system that I proposed
twc wrote:wrote:You can suspect me, that I am capitalist agent send here to misguide you from your views. This is actually true, apart from the fact that I am capitalist agent.Thank you for your honesty—not the capitalist agent bit, which you meant as a joke, but your honest aim to misguide the Party from its views. Many people invade this site on a similar mission, but are less open about it.You have laid out your political case and political program absolutely clearly, even though English is not your first language. There are no grounds for misunderstanding.Unfortunately, your political purpose and political program are totally incompatible with the Party’s established purpose [its Object] and the Party’s established political program [its Declaration of Principles], and so has no place at all in a Party based on ours. You will find ours here http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/our-object-and-declaration-principlesStudy them, and you will understand that, if the Party were to accept your political purpose and adopt your political program instead of its own political purpose and political program, it would destroy itself. Then you really would have achieved your aim of misguiding the Party, but misguiding it into oblivion.It is therefore totally impossible for the Party to take on board your own political purpose and political program, and so no meaningful political conversation with you can proceed on their basis.I suggest that you look further into our website, and read the Socialist Standard and SPGB pamphlets. If, after that, you still cannot bring yourself to agree with us, then you have a moral duty to oppose us, and seek to create or join a political organization that is more amenable to adopting your political purpose and political program of action. The Party simply can’t.As far as I am concerned, we have met an impenetrable brick wall, and that is the end of the matter.
The problem with current approach is that it will never work. Sorry for my bad grammar. My mistakes are due to my english and fast writing to imprint here what is in my head. Don't be conservative! If Socialist party continue be so, right wing will always fight left wing (this is actually to 2 extremes). Instaed be more flexible, more sensible, and mor realistic – and people can agree with Socialism eventually.People are not ideal. They want be better than others. Actually a lot of them are quite primitive in terms of what they want (may be it is not the case in UK). Some people dream just to be rich do you know that?But what is important for us is that people look for better place/conditions to live. They saw what socialism looks like in Cuba and Russia examples. Thus, they would not be eager in most cases to fight for something that failed. I am talking about not "dreaming" people as might be case with most here and me as well, but about people with down to earth objectives.That's why we need to create something simple and working. I saw "donate" link here. But I can't see something new for me here. For what I should donate very realistic and constructive plan. Do you believe that somebody will allow to nationalize everything today? It is radiculous.
Nobody replied here. so I just add some other things to consider: We need online laboratory. We need organise ourselves – some people work, some sleep – then some sleep, some work.Who can work at first steps, if our members at work at a day time? First is students, next are people who have free time.Rememer, that never ever other goals was and will be so important for humanity as it is the case with listed ones.
