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ALB said
Here is Corbyn recycling VincentM’s favourite quote from him:
And it is only one quote from him among hundreds you would shoot down despite being in the D of P
Like it or not he is almost certain to become PM according to latest polls.
Robbo wrote
“it would be a complete dereliction of our socialist duty not to point that the election of a Corbyn government can spell only one thing – shoring up the wealth of a tiny class of parasitic capitalists acquired through the exploitation of the workers.”
By the way you forgot he is ant semetic and his ex-wives hate him.
How can you disagree with his statement above?It is in your D of P and it was certainly a belief of Karl Marx which is more than you can say about the absurd statement ‘the immediate abolition of money and the state’
The SPGB is small because it is hostile to workers and their attempts to feed and house themselves.
Alb said
“You don’t have to be a Marxist to recognise that there are two classes in society. ”
Not the point I made. In fact it is a completely different point
No acknowledgement to the correction I made? I have never known the SPGB to be so ill informed on the subject of contemporary politics.
Matt, that is another point completely. I was correcting the misapprehension that Corbyn didn’t recognise:
“The real divide is between the many – who do the work, create the wealth and pay their taxes – and the few, who set the rules, reap the rewards, and dodge their taxes. ”
ALB wrote
“A real Marxist would tell them both that the trading arrangements of the capitalist class are of no concern to the majority class of wage and salary workers ”
Corbyn said:
“We believe that the real divide in our society is not between people who voted yes or no for [Scottish] independence. It’s not between people who voted to remain or to leave the EU,” he told party members in Dundee. “The real divide is between the many – who do the work, create the wealth and pay their taxes – and the few, who set the rules, reap the rewards, and dodge their taxes. So let me spell it out: our mission is to back the working class, in all its diversity. And that’s what drives our approach to Brexit.”
Jeremy Corbyn
Produced by the guy who helped produce the party intro video
e) Motion to the EC (website suggestion)
“KSRB recommends that the whiteboard video be moved from its present position on SPGB homepage, to the top of the page”
EC consideration deferred.An Introduction is usually at the beginning or at the top of a page. Perhaps the branch could ask the Internet Committee why it wasn’t put there in the first place? We all know why it wasn’t
I haven’t read the whole of this thread but the SPGB needs more members like Neil and more open and comradely discussions on where the party is going wrong.
Alan wrote
Trying to create a mass movement of people united against austerity attacks is one that must be supported.
I too was in the SPGB in the 70s and later returned in the 21st century (I am not a member) . I am not aware of any ‘movements against austerity attacks’ the SPGB supports.
Alan wrote
Rejecting reformism is not the same as rejecting reforms that genuinely improve conditions for workers to the extent that this is possible.
I am also not aware of a list of ‘reforms that improve the condition of the working class’ that the SPGB supports. Apart from opposing anti trade union laws.
My experience is that the SPGB’s ‘hostility clause’ has been used against giving support to ANY such groups or actions.
I think this is going way off topic Lol But supports what I was thinking.
I think Alan’s idea of a party wide discussion is a good idea.
Members first need to admit they are doing things wrong. Socialism’ is now a fashionable word and many people are now proudly declaring themselves to be socialist and yet the party is shrinking. Why?
I don’t wish to be accused of taking this further off topic so will leave it at that. Perhaps a new thread?
Matt said:
Just as long as we continue to expose and oppose its infantile leftist posturing for what it is, as undeliverable barely reconstructed reformism, instead of pandering to his supporters naivety with sweet words.
Alan posted the Pope’s words and not one SPGBr jumped down his throat. Does that mean you support the Catholic Church? Or does it just mean you also believe that Nationalism is poison?
