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“But no freedom for men to refuse the draft, which means no freedom for the anti-patriotic and conscientious objectors. Hence, no freedom for world socialists.”
Russia is in an existential conflict with Natostan. Only former reservists are being drafted. Reservists are people who voluntarily join the armed forces. The “anti-draft” protesters are a liberal fifth column who believe their future lies in dismembering their country for the sake of US corporations. They aren’t even being called up for the draft. Do you literally believe everything you read in the Guardian? LOL
“Zelenskyy is Jewish, isn’t he?”
The good old ,”But Zelensky is Jewish!” Natostani talking point. Yeah, and the Nazis hate him. They’ve threatened to kill him multiple times whether by stringing him up on a tree branch or blowing him to bits. And guess who else Nazis hate just as much as Jews? Russians! Can you believe it?!
And here’s a by no means exhaustive list of MSM headlines about Ukraine’s Nazi problem.
15,000 Ukraine nationalists march for divisive Bandera – Jan 1 2014 – USA Today
Is the US backing neo-Nazis in Ukraine? – Feb 25 2014 – Salon
How the far-right took top posts in Ukraine’s power vacuum – Mar 5 2014 – Channel 4
Rein in Ukraine’s neo-fascists – Mar 6 2014 – CNN
Denying the Far-Right Role in the Ukrainian Revolution – Mar 7 2014 – FAIR
The Neo-Nazi Question in Ukraine – Mar 11 2014 – Huffpost
Yes, There Are Bad Guys in the Ukrainian Government – Mar 18 2014 – Foreign Policy
Analysis: U.S. Cozies Up to Kiev Government Including Far Right – Mar 30 2014 – NBCnews
Profile: Ukraine’s ultra-nationalist Right Sector – Apr 28 2014 – BBC
The Neo-Nazi Question in Ukraine – May 11 2014 – Huffpost
Fascism returns to the continent it once destroyed – May 12 2014 – TNR
Ukraine conflict: ‘White power’ warrior from Sweden – Jul 16 2014 – BBC
Preparing for War With Ukraine’s Fascist Defenders of Freedom – Aug 30 2014 – Foreign Policy
German TV Shows Nazi Symbols on Helmets of Ukraine Soldiers – Sep 9 2014 – NBCnews
Azov fighters are Ukraine’s greatest weapon and may be its greatest threat – Sep 10 2014 – Guardian
Volunteer Ukrainian unit includes Nazis – Mar 10 2015 – USA Today
US House Admits Nazi Role in Ukraine – Jun 14 2015 – Consortium News
Why Ukraine’s New Ultranationalist Party Will Not Last – Oct 19 2016 – Atlantic Council
Ukraine’s Hyper-Nationalist Military Summer Camp for Kids | NBC Left Field (vid) – Jul 13 2017 – NBCnews
The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda – Nov 9 2017 – The Hill
The US is Arming and Assisting Neo-Nazis in Ukraine, While Congress Debates Prohibition – Jan 18 2018 – The RealNews Network
In Ukraine, Ultranationalist Militia Strikes Fear In Some Quarters – Jan 30 2018 – RFERL
Commentary: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem – Mar 19 2018 – Reuters
America’s Collusion With Neo-Nazis – May 2 2018 – The Nation
Ukraine’s Got a Real Problem with Far-Right Violence (And No, RT Didn’t Write This Headline) – Jun 20 2018 – Atlantic Council
Ukraine, Anti-Semitism, Racism, and the Far Right – Oct 16 2018 – Atlantic Council
Azov, Ukraine’s Most Prominent Ultranationalist Group, Sets Its Sights On U.S., Europe – Nov 14 2018 – RFERL
Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine – Feb 22 2019 – The Nation
Ultranationalism in Ukraine – a photo essay – Apr 11 2019 – Guardian
There’s One Far-Right Movement That Hates the Kremlin – Apr 17 2019 – Foreign Policy
Is America Training Neonazis in Ukraine? – Dec 8 2019 – DailyBeast
The Azov Regiment has not depoliticized – Mar 19 2020 – Atlantic Council
Like, Share, Recruit: How a White-Supremacist Militia Uses Facebook to Radicalize and Train New Members – Jan 7 2021 – Time
Profile: Who are Ukraine’s far-right Azov regiment? – Mar 1 2022 – Aljazeerah
How Ukraine’s Jewish president Zelensky made peace with neo-Nazi paramilitaries on front lines of war with Russia – Mar 4 2022 – Grayzone
Ukraine’s Nazi problem is real, even if Putin’s ‘denazification’ claim isn’t – Mar 6 2022 – NBCnews
Right-wing Azov Battalion emerges as a controversial defender of Ukraine – Apr 6 2022 – Washington Posthttps://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/04/azovreplist.html
“Nazis are unpleasant racist people, but Nazism as a state ideology came about through the specific conditions of 1920s Germany. It cannot exist as such in modern Europe”
Erm, it does exist in Ukraine. Shut your eyes, plug your fingers in your ears, jump up and down and hum…but Ukraine will still be run by the Nazis.
“The closest thing to it is Putin’s Russia”
LOL. I see it’s say stupid shit day today. Russia doesn’t even have the death penalty, is a multi-ethnic state, is not supremacist, is not viciously anti-communist, has women in positions of authority, has democratic elections and opposition media. You really gotta stop reading the Guardian.
“and it is NATO that has helped to create a militaristic Russia.”
Name a single country on earth that has no military. And no, tiny Polynesian islands don’t count.
“The racism might not be present in Russia, not against Jews that is, but likely as not against Tatars”
Bullshit. Source?
“but the regimentalised, militarised nature of Nazism is there in the new Russian nationalism”
Bullshit. You have MSM brain worms. Better see to that.
“together with the repression of dissidents”
Right. Julian Assange, rotting in prison in London. Edward Snowden, walking free in Moscow.
“and of the press.”
You know nothing at all of Russian media except what you’ve read in the Guardian. So embarrassing.
“Scott Ritter does not know what Nazism really is”
I see, but you do because you’re so much more clever than he. Give me a break. I guess this Jewish group doesn’t know what Nazism really is either.
https://forward.com/news/462916/nazi-collaborator-monuments-in-ukraine/
“a recognised pro-Russian propagandist”
Recognised by whom? Is there a body giving out such qualifications? Oh dear, I haven’t received mine. What should I do?
Humor me, Dizzy, what have I said that is propaganda?
““But that source quotes it as being Ritter.”
Then you decide on the impartiality or veracity of that source.”
Those are Scott Ritter’s words. But I think he is being unnecessarily alarmist. He also predicted in 2003 that the US would nuke Iraq. So, take his words with a grain of salt. Like the rest of us he doesn’t have a fully functioning crystal ball. Clearly he’s spooked though which isn’t comforting.
“If Poland enters the war, NATO will too, and it’ll be nuclear.”
May soon be time to tell your family how much you love them.
“If NATO doesn’t back the hell off, we are 1 second away from a nuclear war. If NATO continues to pretend that this is some game designed to weaken Russia.. Russia just changed the game. They said they are not playing this game anymore. The game has changed. NATO needs to wake up to the fact that anything it does once the referendums have passed will be an act of war against the Russian federation— and Russia will treat it as such and respond accordingly. It will not be a slow roll out, if NATO continues to provide Ukraine with the means to attack mother Russia, which very soon will be Kherson, Zaporozhie, you know all that daily pounding of the nuclear plant? It’s over man. It’s over. Do it again when it becomes Russia, I dare you Ukraine, you will cease to exist. I’m not saying Russia is gonna use nukes against them, Russia will just simply turn off the lights. Russia will kill the leadership (of Ukraine) The gloves are off, this has been a special military operation, we talked about how it constrains Russia (the SMO) now all constrains are off. When Russia starts defending mother Russia, they’re now gonna bring all of their abilities to the forefront. Russia has 25 million men available, they can go as big as NATO wants to go. Russia is ready to go as big as necessary. And if NATO wants to make this an issue, Russia will cross that threshold. If NATO wants to threaten the existence of Russia, by attacking Mother Russia either directly or indirectly through the Ukrainian proxy, then Russia will use every means at its disposal to ensure that it will fail — including nuclear weapons.” – former United States Marine Corps intelligence officer Scott Ritter
“Why did Russia withdraw from the suburbs of Kiev?”
Putin explained why. It was a gesture of good faith re negotiations for the end of the conflict.
“They demonstrated in previous wars such as the destruction of Grozny their ruthlessness regardless of civilian collateral casualties.”
Where did you get that news Alan? Let me guess…The Guardian? The war in Chechnya was against fanatical, US supported Islamo-fascists. They dug in to the cities. They won’t leave by just being asked nicely.
“Was it for humanitarian reasons? Or they know urban war is fraught with difficulties and the expected surrender never came.”
Like I said, it was a good will gesture but also the troops there had served their purpose which was to hold Ukrainian forces in place there while the Russians shaped the battlefield in the east.
“The early days when mass Russian convoys moved along the highways ended with the supply of artillery and rockets to Ukraine.”
No, they ended before that. Russia was hoping that Ukraine would capitulate to its demands early on. And they nearly did til Bojo convinced the Ukrainians otherwise.
“Will it be a return to trench warfare?”
There’s already plenty of trench warfare but Russia doesn’t mind. They can lob their artillery and missiles at the entrenchments indefinitely. Eventually the Ukrainians crack, the Russians flush any survivors out, move the artillery up to new positions then rinse and repeat.
“And can it overspill? I read this of the NATO base on the Polish border.”
The Polish are led by fanatics. It’s certainly possible. If Poland gets involved the Russians will be far less patient with them than they have been with the Ukrainians.
“The trendy young women saying men have to fight for the “Motherland” would instantly turn away from an ex-soldier missing a face.”
There are plenty of images from the war itself.
War is hell. Images of what weapons do to the human body should be viewed by anyone ever contemplating armed conflict. But it was not Russia that wanted this war, it was Natostan. Unfortunately, they got what they wanted. The only hope now is for the Ukrainian people to overthrow their fascist leaders and sue for peace.
“However, TS, won’t the absorption of the Donbas into Russia Proper (happening now via the referenda) mean that Ukraine’s attacks on it, using NATO arms, will be construed as just that: an attack on Russia?”
Yes, it will be considered an attack on Russia meaning the Special Military operation will probably soon be replaced by a declaration of war. As a result we can expect Ukrainian dual use infrastructure and decision making centers will likely be targeted. But Russia is not facing an existential threat from the Ukrainian army. The Ukrainians are spent. They threw everything but the kitchen sink at Russia in the recent offensives. With the call up of reserves, Russia’s military superiority will be overwhelming.
“Which will then push Moscow to nuke the West?”
There are only two circumstances under which I can imagine such a thing happening. 1: NATO nukes first which I believe is highly unlikely. If such happens, that’s the end of human civilization as we know it. It’s too terrible to imagine. 2: NATO fully mobilises against Russia and starts winning the ground war. If Scott Ritter is to be believed, NATO is no match for Russia anywhere near Russia’s border so this is too is highly unlikely.
Having said all that, I wouldn’t chastise the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists for moving the Doomsday Clock a few seconds closer to midnight.
“Watched a video last night and it made the point that if Russia was to use nuclear weapons in the Ukrainian conflict they would literally be shooting themselves in the foot”
Yes, which is why the Kremlin has no intention of using nukes in Ukraine. Talk otherwise is alarmist nonsense. The only condition under which Russia would use nukes is if its existence as a nation state is threatened. As of now we are very far from that possibility.
Douglas Macgregor is a hard-core anti-communist so he’s in good company here. He believes the greatest tragedy of WWII is that the Nazis didn’t focus all their efforts on destroying the USSR. Despite this, his analysis of events re Ukraine is surprisingly good.
This, from the linked to article, misrepresents Putin’s statement. Putin was responding to nuclear threats from Western nations, primarily the US, and was merely reminding said foe that Russia would react in kind. Russia, it must be remembered, has no nuclear first use policy except under the condition that its nationhood is threatened.
“During his Wednesday speech mobilizing Russian reservists, Russian President Vladimir Putin made veiled nuclear threats against Ukraine’s western allies.”
