TrueScotsman
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“Running in order to avoid answering any questions.”
Good try. This thread is Russia Ukraine not Pol Pot. I haven’t avoided any questions related to this thread.
“I doubt very much he knows anything of social history and Marxism”
I know you’re not Marxists.
“and very little of philosophy in general.”
You’ve no idea what I do and don’t know.
“I also suspect he is young, reliant on sloganeering and conspiracy-“theory.”
What conspiracy theory would that be? That the US/Uk are responsible for the Nord Stream sabotage? What, you think the pipelines just spontaneously exploded all on their ownsome? There are tapeworms with more intellectual curiosity than you. Lol
“He repeatedly denied Ukraine’s right to independent existence”
Prove it. Quote the pertinent statements.
“– and, at times, that the country exists at all as an independent entity.”
It doesn’t. It’s a wholly owned subsidiary of the US empire. The empire chose it’s coup government, pays all its government salaries, runs and equips its military and when Zelensky tried to negotiate peace terms overruled him. Ukraine is the US’ bitch. Pure and simple.
“Instead he appeared to accept the unity of the two countries as historical fact.”
It is a historical fact. What, you know more about Russian history than the leader of Russia? Talk about an inflated sense of self importance.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Inaccurate_historical_map_of_Ukrainian_borders.jpg
“In doing so, he revealed the structures of an imperial ideology with a chronology and ambition that goes far beyond post-Soviet nostalgia to the mediaeval era.””
BS. Kiev lost its right to ever again rule over ethnic Russians when it tried to exterminate them.
Knobbo, when you don’t know shit about shit, don’t say shit. Lol
““The Russians are in no danger of losing”
But are they in a position to win outright?”
Yes, they are. Ukraine is a muddy bog right now as the autumn rains have arrived. As soon as the ground freezes the Russians will begin major offensives. Ukraine is running short of weapons and reserves. Russia has unlimited weapons and has just deployed 370k reserves/volunteers.
“I said in earlier posts I expect a protracted prolonged war of attrition but because of demographics, Russia should eventually prevail.”
Ukraine was defeated months ago. It’s only remained in the fight because of NATO largesse.
“ALB suggests commitment to Ukraine will dissipate in due course as the economic crisis deepens, weakening it.”
Weaken Ukraine and Europe, you mean? This is already happening. Ordinary Europeans are getting desperate and hitting the streets. (You won’t though because for some demented reason you don’t believe in revolutionary action during capitalist crisis.) The elites still support Ukraine 1000% though. They see a Russian victory as a defeat for NATO. An outcome too horrible for them to contemplate. But it is going to happen. Will this encourage them to use nukes? Quite possibly.
“We see some early evidence of this with those on the right and left uniting in joint protests”
People on the left, right and center all have bellies that all get hungry. Does that surprise you?
“A Republican victory in the mid-terms may well lead to the same drop in support for Ukraine in a more internationally isolationist USA.”
The Republicans support the war wholeheartedly. But criticising it for the time being harms Biden and helps their electoral prospects in the mid-terms. If you think them isolationist I’ve a bridge to sell you. Buy one, get one free!
“However, I have not forgotten that TS predicts a swift Winter offensive that will give Russia victory.”
Yep, coming soon.
“Certain military experts suggest a Russian military build-up for such a tactic.”
Yep, as we speak. Just waiting for the winter frost.
“Time will tell which analysis proves the more accurate.
Otherwise, it is all speculation.”
Deep Alan, real deep.
“Once more, I reiterate the SPGB’s general position.
A speedy ceasefire to have peace talks where Ukraine cedes territory to the Russians if that is what it takes to bring an end to the war.”
The Russians have always been willing to negotiate but the US, who pulls Ukraine’s strings, won’t allow it.
“Workers have no land to fight and die for.”
Yeah, they do.
“An SPGB principle of anti-nationalism TS scoffs at but one that better facilitates the chance of peace.”
The Palestinians have no land. Where’s the peace? Lol
“And it is a principle that produces also the accusation that we are in favour of appeasement. So damned if we do, damned if we don’t.”
Appeasement was the policy of encouraging Nazi Germany to invade the Soviet Union. Thankfully, the Soviets weren’t retarded and understood a military and state apparatus were necessary to defend their revolution against fascist aggression. A fact you will never recognise because you are ideological fanatics.
“LOL TS. You are as ever, endlessly amusing.”
You should try having a sense of humor yourself, women dig it.
“But do you seriously imagine the trashy far-right capitalist organs like the racist “Russia-Insider” and others you draw your “facts” from are any different??”
Reading comprehension does not seem to be your strong suit so I shall repeat myself. The Guardian does not tell the truth about official “E-N-E-M-I-E-S”. Got it now? I have linked to one article from Russia Insider that comprehensively refutes false claims about Putin’s wealth. Is Putin an official enemy of Russia? Lol
“They pump out the pro-capitalist propaganda of the obnoxious Putin regime”
How is Putin’s government obnoxious?
“you simp for and you buy it all, lock stock, and barrel, without question and without demur.”
What, one article? Lol. Get a bit of perspective buddy.
“Don’t forget – you were the one that started this daft line of argument that just because the Guardian is a liberal capitalist organ we can safely reject anything it says as false.”
(Yawn.) I never said that. You are putting words in my mouth.
“Facts are to be judged not by their connection with reality but by the political acceptability of the source revealing them according to you.”
(Yawn.)The Guardian doesn’t reveal facts about official enemies. That is not its purpose…zzZZzz
“Now that that argument has boomeranged back on you are trying desperately to backtrack.”
Not bloody likely. Though, like a boomerang, I am running circles around you. Lol
“It makes you cringe but I am sure our resident apologist for the Russian capitalist regime will endorse her sentiments!”
The Russians are in no danger of losing so her sentiments are misplaced.
“Interesting that TS has not as yet answered any questions about whether or not he agrees with the Chinese Communist Party’s approach to Pol Pot and his gang.”
I’m not here to talk Pol Pot, I’m here to talk Russia/Ukraine. You know, the thread topic? The fact Alan is not moderating as he should is not my problem. So suck it up buttercup.
“It is another reason why we must support their struggle.”
The uprising is another CIA orchestrated color revolution. It is already spent. It was an abject failure. There’s nothing left for the Iranian authorities to do but mop up.
BTW, what does this article have to do with the Russia/Ukraine conflict?
“Trump is mentioned because your mixed natural sciences with journalism, and most of the journalist that you are supporting they are trump followers.”
No, most of the journalists I read are not Trump supposrters. I don’t have much positive to say about the man beyond the fact that he didn’t start any new wars which is quite rare for an Amrican president.
A philisopher’s stone is magic no matter how you spin it.
Darwin was racist and sexist.
https://www.uh.edu/engines/epi617.htm
What does Trump have to do with anything? What you smoking?
“You’re a Holocaust-denyer?”
Lol. Way to miss the point. Here, take a participation trophy.
“Re: manufacturing consent, isn’t that also the role of the Russian state? If not, why are opposition journalists and news stations silenced?”
We’re talking about the Guardian brah. What are you, five years old? You can’t stick to one line of reasoning for more than 30 seconds?
“Yes, we are free of ideology.”
Erm, this word “ideology”, it doesn’t mean what you think it means.
“An ideology is a set of opinions or beliefs of a group or an individual. Very often ideology refers to a set of political beliefs”
So the above definition doesn’t apply to you? You have no beliefs? Lol.
“We are people who have come together because of points of agreement about society.”
I know, you are liberals posing as socialists.
“We don’t sing from any songsheet handed down by a leadership.”
You do. Your song is titled “We are pure as driven snow flakes, real existing socialists are bad”.
“But TS is revealing here a conspiracist trait.”
And what trait would that be?
“Conspiracists have no discernment. We socialists can read, watch or listen to anyone”
Except Larry Johnson, right? Lol. Psst, you’re not a socialist, you’re a liberal posing as one.
“and we use discernment to separate what is likely or unlikely, true or false.”
Well, considering you’re wrong about pretty much everything I think that’s open to debate.
“Conspiracists don’t have that ability, which is probably why TS isn’t paying attention to any substance here.”
You know conspiracies exist, right? The Holocaust was a conspiracy, you’re aware of that, no? In fact, conspiracy is one of the most common
brought charges in courts of law. There are literally hundreds of thousands of them committed every day. Lol“Like a conspiracist, he is simply an ideology-follower”
And you’re free of ideology? Lol
“with everything simplistically black and white.”
Some things are that simple. Most aren’t but some are.
“I never said that and you have done nothing of the sort.”
Well, if not you, one of your Guardian Bros most certainly did. I did provide evidence. I linked to an article debunking the claim.
“According to you anything that the Guardian writes must ipso facto be nonsense because the Guardian is a trashy liberal paper.”
No, not “anything”. The film and TV reviews can sometimes be quite edifying. No, it is any story dealing with official enemies of the Euro-American alliance that ” ipso facto be nonsense”. Now, pay attention child, the Guardian is not a “news” paper it is an organ of state propaganda. Just like a hand grenade will never be a vacuum cleaner, the Guardian will never be a “news” paper. The role of the Guardian is not to act as a venue for the expression of free ideas it is an apparatus for manufacturing consent. Can you understand that or am I moving too fast? Now, the blog I linked to is not a propaganda organ of the state but the sincerely held views of an analyst intimately familiar with military affairs and the goings on of the deep state. His views, or any similar, will never, ever be printed in the Guardian because they contradict the imperialists’ narrative. Capisce? Can you understand the difference?
“However, you feel quite free to quote and endorse trashy far-right commentators like “Russia-Insider” and others.”
Far-right is Nazi. Lol. Neither Russia Insider or Larry Johnson are Nazis so let’s tone down the hyperbole a bit, eh? At any rate your statement is ad hominem which is another way of saying faulty thinking. Never a surprise on this forum!
“Yet you feel offended when socialists point out the utter hypocrisy of you doing precisely that while arguing that just because they are far-right commentators does not mean what they say is not true.”
I am not offended and you are not socialists you are liberals LARPing as such.
“Well, by the same token just because The Guardian is a liberal bourgeoisie paper (we agree on that) does not mean that what it says is not at times correct, does it now?”
When it comes to official enemies it will never be correct. It will always omit, decontextualise, fabricate and obfuscate but never tell the truth. Ever.
“Thurs at 10 pm on Channel 4, How To Survive A Dictator, about Mugabe.”
Lol. Europe is a garden and the rest of the world is a jungle. Let’s listen to the gardener talk about the dark savages over there. Totally not racist imperialism I swear.
“How amusing. So TS, having criticized socialists for using sources like the Guardian (even though he has used western sources like Reuters!)”
And remind me, what was the ONE Reuters article I’ve linked to about? Nothing controversial I’m sure. The Guardian, which you lot constantly link to, is the mouthpiece of the British
establishment. A socialist reads it to discover nothing but the official propaganda line of US/EU imperialism. People who credulously accept the propaganda lines therein are either dupes, useful idiots or a combination of both.“now defends his use of comments made by right-wing trumpites and the like”
The author’s political opinions are irrelevant to the topic. Poisoning the well is a version of the ad hominem fallacy. Look it up. Learn something.
“So if the Guardian reports that Putin has a personal fortune of 1 billion are we to dismiss this out of hand …?”
I thought you said he was a gajillionaire “richer” than Elon Musk? Do try and get your story straight. But anyways yes, dismiss what the Guardian says out if hand because it’s a lie. I’ve already explained why it’s a lie and provided evidence in support of my position.
“As TS likes to lecture people about using unbiased sources I thought I’d check this one.
The website is run by Larry C Johnson who describes himself as a veteran of the CIA and the State Department’s Office of Counter Terrorism.”
Yes, so he has served in the belly of the beast and knows how the sausage is made. His analysis of the Ukraine/Russia conflict is excellent.
“He appears to be a Trumpite and an anti-vaxxer.”
His views on Trump and vaccines are irrelevant to the topic of Russia/Ukraine. Edward Snowden and Scott Ritter are also conservatives. Does that disqualify them as sources of information? Or what about Newton, who believed in alchemy, or Darwin who was a racist? As far as physics and biology are concerned their views stand the test of time.
“An example of his style is:
Now we know where TS has plagiarised his writing style from.”
Lol. My style is my own. No need to plagiarise.
“Larry’s source for this Brit story seems to be the Hal Turner show.
Hal Turner turns out to be a US far-right blogger and convicted felon, Holocaust denier, white supremacist and conspiracy theorist who spent 2 years in prison for demanding the assassination of government officials and threatening 3 federal judges.
All ad hominem. But anyways, Hal Turner is not the source of the claim. Kim Dotcom is. He’s offered no evidence for his claim so it can not be verified. Having said that, Russia does say they have evidence that the UK is responsible.
https://www.rt.com/russia/565720-truss-phone-hack-pipelines/
Someone blew up the pipeline. The most likely explanation it being a joint British/US operation.
“Never mind his argumentative evasions, you’ve got to admire the balls-out effrontery of someone who comes on here to criticise our use of western sources and then dredges up sources like this.”
Larry dropped the ball on this one. Not gonna lie. But this slip aside, his analysis has been spot on.
“He is taking the piss and you all know it.”
That’s true. Because you aren’t serious people.
“I’m amazed you bother with him. There are far better ways to help the socialist project than wasting time on self-indulgent trolls.”
Hehe, I feel exactly the same way about you guys.
“If you want, I can suggest some.”
I’m sure it involves a lot of repetitive wrist work and Kleenex.
