Thomas_More
Forum Replies Created
-
Posts
-
How many were Labour voters anyway, voting by habit, as Tory voters do? I know Labour voters who switched, too, because they hated Corbyn and called him a Marxist.
Plus, if you circulate among the “socialistic” Left, you’re not getting a true picture of the majority, who are apolitical.It’s the bloody Left more than anything else.
For a century they’ve drowned us out and bandied the word socialism about, making it a word that instantly repels.” our case for socialism is so strong as to be incontestable. ”
True, but that again assumes that what is rational must prevail.
Workers are working hard every day at things which make the end of the world ever more likely, and therefore their own end. They do it because they need the money, and they’ll oppose us every step of the way when we talk about ending the wages system. A few protest about this and that, who are not in such jobs, but the majority continue, like kamikaze pilots, sealing the demise of life on this globe.
I know this. What we are discussing is how to overcome the timidity and the things standing in our way.
Saying nation-states will disappear is more likely to arouse immediate ire against us than saying money will disappear.
(By the way, has any member been to a function (football, concert) and actually remained seated during the national anthem? I’d be interested to know the reaction you received).
But Lizzie is right.
The populists, right wingers etc. are not suggesting a different system of society.
People just can’t envisage taking control by themselves. Their whole upbringing is to rely on authoritarian figures. Even when they go on strike, they are petitioning the bosses. Even the angriest follow a group and leaders, and petition those in power to “do the right thing” – and seldom does that even succeed.
I don’t think mainstream religion is an issue. But nationalism certainly is. National flags are the modern idols of the mass of workers. Even protesters wave national flags when protesting racism, war, etc.
Being put in “jobclubs” etc. several times for us unemployed “scroungers”, I found my fellow jobless, much worse off than me, very very Tory.
And every homeless man i’ve met has boasted of his military exploits and told me we need the draft back.Getting on for 150 years since the party’s founding, and membership has remained the same or less, mostly kept to the offspring of members.
And today, thousands more flat earthers than there are socialists!I also seem to remember a trades union rep rejecting Corbyn’s anti-militarism by saying the British workers’ priority has to be defence of the realm!
Well I don’t see it (socialism) happening, although I still think it our duty to promote it for as long as we live.
It isn’t that everyone doesn’t have the rational tool for it, but I don’t see it being used, because reason isn’t master, and I think the party is naive in its, well, 18th century-like view of the primacy of reason.Why are the poorest and most deprived also the most adulatory and reactionary?
