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The Feathered One.
A material being? Or not?
So what would a modern scientific materialist say space is?
Not matter?Above I’ve listed quotes from Wikipedia which state that antimatter is matter. And Lizzie’s video about the empty box shows that “nothing” is not reached, unless one posits religious beliefs.
Space is not empty, since emptiness would be nothing.If things can be produced out of nothing, then materialism, with its cause and effect law of motion, is wrong, as is historical materialism too, and we are left with effects without causality.
The names vacuist and plenist may no longer be used, but their definitions are still valid.
Predictions?
Atomism was a philosophical school of the Indian and Greek world.
If Lucretius is a ready example still in print, he was a vacuist. I don’t know if any of the ancient materialists (atomists) were plenists.
Space is not empty. A point in outer space is filled with gas, dust, a wind of charged particles from the stars, light from stars, cosmic rays, radiation left over from the Big Bang, gravity, electric and magnetic fields, and neutrinos from nuclear reactions.20 Dec 2012
https://wtamu.edu › 2012/12/20 › w…So nothing does not exist.
Dark matter is a hypothetical form of matter thought to account for approximately 85% of the matter in the universe.[1] Dark matter is called “dark” because it does not appear to interact with the electromagnetic field, which means it does not absorb, reflect, or emit electromagnetic radiation and is, therefore, difficult to detect.
In modern physics, antimatter is defined as matter composed of the antiparticles (or “partners”) of the corresponding particles in “ordinary” matter, and can be thought of as matter with reversed charge, parity, and time, known as CPT reversal.
(Wikipedia)
Both are forms of matter.
It matters to me. My dad always told me matter is all that exists. I’d just like to know what others think. Do they accept nothingness?
Not relevant to socialism, but only those interested need answer.
But when you use words like idealism, materialism and socialism you are not getting a point across to most people. Not without circuitous philosophical and historical explanations, by which time they’ve already been inwardly yawning for a while.
So following your logic, shouldn’t you abandon these terms: or constantly fight an uphill battle to bring them back to their original meanings while people yawn every time they see you coming?
And doesn’t that contradict your “language changes, so get over it” exhortation?
How gadgets hook our brains.
Five year olds on average spend an hour and a half a day on smartphones. (Ca m’interesse magazine, June 2023).
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ7onvK-gbo&pp=ygUcZG9wYW1pbmUgY29tbWVudCBsZXMgYXBwbGlzIA%3D%3D
Fair enough.
But do you see a place for bibliophiles in socialism? Will there be printed books for those who like them, and will old manuscripts still be preserved if they have nothing to do with the history of socialist thought?
Will old languages still be studied and ancient, medieval, Renaissance and Baroque works still be printed and translated?
Or will everything be on electronic screens whilst tangible works of literature and art are left to decay?
I ask only for your personal opinion, because I am aware that you do not know, and neither do I?
He’s reverting to type again.
” Nor by self-styled aesthetes who enjoy fine books ”
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That counts out William Morris then. And all those who love literature and art. And all who hoped socialism would be marked by beautiful creations, a beautiful environment, and elevate the human mind.
So much for the hopes of yore, and so much for The Soul of Man under Socialism, as Wilde put it.
We rely on those brought up on X-box Armageddon 3. Good luck in the brave new world of gadgetry socialism.
Perhaps i’m playing devil’s advocate here in the hope of us looking at the communication barriers we face, and our insistence that Marxist historical materialism be studied and understood.
You yourself told me once that socialism can be achieved by those who have never read a single book.
You also agreed with me that people can arrive at our conclusions without knowing of our existence, and that this is regularly happening.
Your words gave me hope.
