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As to the Milgram “experiment” it was also performed, using REAL electric shocks on monkeys by monkeys. After ONCE witnessing what the lever did to their fellows, the monkeys refused to repeat it, regardless of inducements.
Human Nature pseudoscientists have tried to prove inherent evil by electrocuting baboons so that, crazed with pain, they turn on one another.
There are several events showing mutual aid and co-operation on islands, not least of which is the socialistic pirate colony on Madagascar, whose members attacked slave-traders, liberated the slaves and welcomed them to their community.
Even lives viciously blighted and scarred by violence and oppression were capable of mutual aid and genuine cohesion.Re: veneer theory, Reich critiqued that with his triune theory:
1) Natural curiosity and joy of the child, which is
2) suffocated and stifled by existing society, leading to hatred and futile belligerence, which is then
3) covered with a polite veneer in order to get by in life.This puts the blame on existing society and not on nature.
So flies themselves disprove Golding!
In fact, all animals do.https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/compelling-case-why-flies-are-fabulous.html
And more examples.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20211126-why-insects-are-more-sensitive-than-they-seem
The title Lord of the Flies is a very old name for Satan. I think that was Golding’s reference. Nothing to do with flies themselves.
Because environment and culture determine the nature of libido, we see many women attracted to the very sort of men who will abuse them.
Popular media promotes the tough guy and this influences female and male libido. Ruthless careerism is valued as “success” and military life lauded as heroic.Similarly, the haughty and indifferent, aloof, look is promoted for women by the fashion and “beauty” industry.
Culturally too, competitive sport is the most valued and admired of pastimes.
For most of human existence it wasn’t. It is us in response to conditions most of us do not understand: conditions humans have created, to be sure, but without consciousness. We are the products of a social evolution preceding our births, as well as contemporary with us, and of a multitude of reactions to it, operating within us and mostly blind and confused.
Christians worshipping “pagan” gods without knowing it. (And this is why the appreciation of language and the history of words is worth while).
GODEN = Variant of WODEN (ODIN) the King of the Norse and Anglo-Saxon Gods. It is Odin you pray to whenever you say God.
TEUTATES = DEUS/DIEU/DIOS, the principal Celtic deity from whom we get the words DEUTSCH, DUTCH, TEUTONIC and TEUTONS. It is TEUTATES you pray to when appealing to DEUS, DIEU or DIOS.
I think involuntary celibates before the internet were mostly silent, excepting writers of novels, poetry and short stories, and artists. The unread and the non-artistic would keep it to themselves out of macho shame.
The internet has given voice to the sex-obsessed, which includes the lonely and the frustrated, who are not well lettered, and whose frustrations are expressed often in a violent and futile manner, and who also blame women instead of a system (capitalism) which alienates us from each other and produces a life full of hatred, loneliness and squalor.
I never said we did as a party. I just meant when referring to a populace in conversation with most, who use the word citizen.
Pretty Boy Floyd
Words and Music by Woody Guthrie
Contact Publisher – Woody Guthrie Publications/BMG Chrysalis
https://woodyguthrie.org/Lyrics/Pretty_Boy_Floyd.htmIf you’ll gather ’round me, children,
A story I will tell
‘Bout Pretty Boy Floyd, an outlaw,
Oklahoma knew him well.…
And as through your life you travel,
Yes, as through your life you roam,
You won’t never see an outlaw
Drive a family from their home.© Copyright 1958 (renewed) by Woody Guthrie Publications, Inc.
