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I am also quite a fan of this forum. I wish there were more active forum members though.

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Please don't ignore my posts people, I am a very important forum member and I am intellectually supercapable What would be an example of a manifestation of the "apparatus of repression" in Capitalism if one is not referring to the state? I am referring to post #6If this question is stupid I can assure you that I'm not trying to waste your time 

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I wonder how large the percentage of the Syrian rebels that are jihadists is.

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jondwhite wrote:

No we don't reject Engels.

 

mcolome1 wrote:

Engels is not outdated

To be clear I was referring to the idea that the state "withers away" before Socialism, not all of Engels opinions.

robbo203 wrote:

That being the case, the term Engels should have used is not the "withering away of the state" but rather the withering away of the apparatus of repression in socialism. 

Silly question perhaps, but what is an example of a manifestation of the "apparatus of repression"?

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So basically the "withering away of the state" is irrelevant in today's world? Do most people in the SPGB consider Engels view as an outdated one?

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If only copyright wasn't a thing. He would've been a great mascot

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An experience I had might be related. Yesterday i googled a subject and looked if there was a worldsocialism article about it. When I clicked on one particular article chrome hindered me from going to it as "the connection is not private" and warned me that hackers might be trying to get my personal information. But I had visited the SPGB website a few minutes earlier without any warnings whatsoever. It was only that one article that chrome hindered me from visiting.

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I am under the impression that they like and support Corbyn. They wrote recently about a "coup" in the pro-Corbyn organization Momentum

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I sometimes look at the SPGB on Twitter. Someone wrote "Why didn't you expose Stalin, Mao, Castro and Chavez?" a few hours ago.Is it really that hard for people to do research?

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I think that the principle of subsidarity is a reasonable one in a lot of cases. However, in some cases I think that it would be good for different areas to decide if the approval of something would affect them in an important way. A somewhat bad example would be if a town wants to build a nuclear power plant that is not just near the area of their town, but also near the area of another town. If a disaster happened, both towns could be negatively affected.On the issue of democratically deciding what clothers to wear, what music to listen to etc, I agree that this would be bad.However, if most people would want to decide stuff like that by voting, there wouldn't really be any way of stopping them other than convincing them, right? Not that I think there would be a big risk of that happening.

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ALB wrote:

"Did somebody really say that in a restaurant the chef was an example of a productive worker and a waiter of an unproductive one?"As far as I have understood it, yes. It's on page 7 of the thread "A few questions regarding economics"."Food in the kitchen is no more a finished product than coal at the pithead  — to be useful they need to be transported to where they are going to be used."So transportation is productive labour?"Anyway, surplus value is best seen as not just being produced at the level of individual businesses (that's where it's turned into profit) but at the level of the economy as a whole, so that salaries of civil servants (including elected ones like Corbyn) will come out of the surplus value produced by the productive section of the working class as a whole."According to the Daily Mirror the average wage in the UK is £26,500. I looked at the average annual wage for a British MP, it's £74,962. That to me sounds kind of bloated for that type of work.

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ALB wrote:

Sympo, here's the supporting statement for an item for discussion, put down by the old Haringey branch, at our 1973 Annual Conference

Thanks.I believe that I now can see how cabinet members can be seen as members of the capitalist class.However, I have the issue of not fully understanding how, for example, MP Jeremy Corbyn is a member of the working class.If Corbyn, as some in this thread seems to be suggesting, is doing what is know as "unproductive labour", i.e. the labour that does not create new value…then how does Corbyn's wage originate from productive labour? Because it has too do that in order to be counted as unproductive labour, right?In a thread I was told an example of unproductive and productive labour about a waiter and a chef. The waiter is necessary for business as he moves around the meals that were created by the chef.My question is: who is Corbyn's chef?My question may not make any sense. If this is the case I will be slightly embarassed.

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DJP wrote:

"Class interests" only make sense on the level of the class as a whole, not on the level of individuals.

Do you know if there are any articles on here that are related to this topic?Also, would you not say that it is in your interest to establish socialism as an individual?

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Tim Kilgallon wrote:

It is in the interest of her class, that does not necessarily mean it is in the interest of her.

Sorry, but how can you belong to a class and at the same time not have the same interests as that class? Doesn't she have a false consiousness?

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Young Master Smeet wrote:

"Unless she has enough personal capital to live on and not work~: yes."If so, is it in her class interest to abolish capitalism and establish socialism? Sorry if I am being annoying with these questions

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