SocialistPunk
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Gnome,I would rather Linda not close her account right now, as the NERB online meeting is due to start tomorrow. There are some questions that need answering regarding accusations that have been thrown around.
Looks like the realities of industrial disputes finally reach the highly trained "middle class" or should that be the "upper middle class".
Linda,You don't seem capable of grasping that the IC don't do requests. They report to the EC, so I guess once the EC get the report it's open for the public, on request from HO.Like I said Steve contacted HO for the report. I've no doubt if he'd contacted the IC his request would have been turned down also.
Tim Kilgallon wrote:I am aware that you have probably not seen that report, it has taken our branch a while to get hold of it.YFSTimTim,You seem to suggest that some kind of delay was taking place, yet when Steve contacted HO a paper copy was sent to him in reasonable time.
alanjjohnstone wrote:As I have said before, we cannot keep doing the same or calling for more of the same. I have suggested a special conference to review and re-evaluate everything. Socialist Studies call themselves the re-constituted SPGB, I suggest it is time now that we ourselves re-constitute. I’m not saying we should emulate ever fad or fashion in politics but address fully why we have not succeeded in accomplishing our objective or even getting anyway closer towards it. A much needed introspection is fundamental to understanding the failure.As Einstein said “"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."Alan, I suppose one of the reasons we have difficulty re-evaluating everything, is there will be so many differing ideas as to what is or isn't the problem. Because we don't have a leadership, there isn't a specific plan to follow. This isn't a criticism by the way, not having leaders is one of the best things about the SPGB/WSM.
Tim,From what I gather the EC have deferred the issue to the May meeting.Whether or not this means the IC report has to wait until then before it's made available is possibly up for debate.It was presented to the April EC, so there could be an argument that technically speaking it belongs in the public domain.Someone with more in depth knowledge of Party procedures and regs etc, may be able to clear this one up.
Hi Rod,At present there are a number of rescue organisations around the world that rescue people who have engaged in potentialy risky activities, organised on a voluntary basis. I doubt that would change for the worse in socialism. In fact these rescue organisations are good examples of socialist style volunteering. People understanding that in order to create and sustain the kind of supportive society we humans thrive in, we have to pitch in and do stuff that is often unpleasant and dangerous.
Young Master Smeet wrote:I always used to be against boxing, but I caught myself watching a fight in the pub. Some poor fly weight was getting battered ever way but sunday. What struick me was, he wasn't giving up. He kept on going. Boxing is not about hitting the other fighter, it's about not getting hit, or keeping going if you have been hit. It's about amazing fitness, muscle toning and thinking, they used to call it The Sweet Science for a reason.The greatest boxing hero that never existed, puts it a little better.
Quote:"But it ain't about how hard you hit. It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward; how much you can take and keep moving forward."Rocky Balboaalanjjohnstone wrote:But for now it is hardly worth discussingYet here we are Alan, discussing it on a thread about compensation being paid to capitalists. Better leave it at that then?
SocialistPunk wrote:There is a possible way they could be compensated.Those who disagreed and didn't want to go along with the majority socialist revolution could be offered an island somewhere. Then all the paper money that exists throughout the world could be dumped on the island and they could distribute it among themselves as they saw fit.There would probably be some non-capitalist supporters willing to tag along with them and be their wage slaves. That way they could get on with their capitalist games while the rest of society salvaged the mess left over from capitalism.rodmanlewis wrote:It's best to avoid irony–people will take you seriously.Hi Rod,I have to admit there is an element of irony in my post above.However I don't see what would be problematic in offering a place to try to continue with a capitalist orientated system, to those who didn't want to go along with the formation of a democratically decided socialist society?
There is a possible way they could be compensated.Those who disagreed and didn't want to go along with the majority socialist revolution could be offered an island somewhere. Then all the paper money that exists throughout the world could be dumped on the island and they could distribute it among themselves as they saw fit.There would probably be some non-capitalist supporters willing to tag along with them and be their wage slaves. That way they could get on with their capitalist games while the rest of society salvaged the mess left over from capitalism.
Hi Tim,I know Alan is more than capable of defending himself here, but I wish to point out that I never got an impression of a "done deal" regarding this idea from Alan's opening post. This forum is just a place for discussion and party decisions are not taken here. I'm sure one or two ideas have been born on this forum that eventually went on to be discussed and voted on by the wider membership.The way I see it, a discussion down the local pub is perfectly capable of producing a fantastic idea every now and then, that could go on to be a money spinner, for want of a better term.I personaly think it a good idea. Anything that can reduce the sectarianism associated with the SPGB, mentioned by Alan, without compromising principles is to be welcomed.The discussion has started, let's keep it rolling.
ALB wrote:Someone has sent us this. Apparently John Pilger sees Trump as the lesser evil — because of his isolationist position on foreign policy:Quote:Donald Trump is a symptom of this, but he is also a maverick. He says the invasion of Iraq was a crime; he doesn’t want to go to war with Russia and China. The danger to the rest of us is not Trump, but Hillary Clinton. She is no maverick. She embodies the resilience and violence of a system whose vaunted “exceptionalism” is totalitarian with an occasional liberal face.The same might be said of Farage and UKIP in this country as they too are opposed to overeseas military adventures.
How many times have those seeking power promised this or that to trick the public into supporting them. I don't see Trump's (or Farage's) anti-overseas war stance any differently. Once in power the promises of not sending their soldiers to fight in overseas wars would soon be spun away once the needs of capital came a calling.
