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Transcendentalism, that is, believing in ideal beings such as heroes, martyrs, and saints, or messiahs and saviors are all part of the culture and tradition perpetrated by capitalism, it is thousands of years of brainwashing that it is hard-wired in our emotional system, the origin of which is already lost in the archetype of human history. For as long as transcendentalism is the prevailing thought of our society, the ruling elite will use it to maintain their domination.sardaan Ordinarian
sarda karaniwanParticipantOnce I asked a worker if he would like to go to war and he responded " the reason I go to work is to avoid trouble." Ah, that makes sense.sardaan Ordinarian
sarda karaniwanParticipantAnd I thought this would be accessible to the ordinary human intelligence.You know Engels already warned Marxs about using deep-meaning academic words to explain something as this will be useless and will not draw interest from the ordinary people which is the FORCE that we need."Jes Sui Charlie", look how simple and short that principle is, but the ordinary people have easily grasp it. What is only despicable here is the use of violence and a sacrifice of human life.Too much intellectualism will alienate you from the ordinary people."A theory becomes a force once it is grasp by the masses ( the ordinary people).— Karl Marxsardaan Ordinarian
sarda karaniwanParticipantI think the bottom line here is to justify militarization or heightened the value of the military role. Well, the benefit is, continue and increase the military budget. No, I could be wrong.sardaan Ordinarian
sarda karaniwanParticipantI get what you mean Alan.Do you know that in the Philippines, the President was voted to power merely because his father was a declared "hero" and his mother was portrayed as a "saint". What I'm trying to say is, the concept of hero, martyr, and saint is a very useful tool for vengeance and indebtedness, it is saying "we owe it to them", and so politicians use them to remind people what they owe. So if I say, I no longer believe in heroes, martyrs, and saint, I have my reason.I feel the same way with this "terror attack", the concept of hero, martyr and saint will be use, and as you said, nothing good will come of it.What disgust me most is that they will do anything to divert the focus of the people from the real issue of the capitalist crisis even if it means to sacrifice human life.But what a show of force by the ordinary people, too bad, wrong issue.sardaan Ordinarian
sarda karaniwanParticipantI think it's all about diversion, diversion of issues and I would say that if this is the strategy of those in power then it is an effective scenario, successfull, the focus of the people have been diverted to the issue on terrorism and it seems the issue is really being drag down on the level of religion conflict, Islam vs. Christianity, instead of the class struggle Capitalist vs. Workers. sardaan Ordinarian
sarda karaniwanParticipantIt is just an ordinary person who believes that the real world belongs to the ordinary people, the elite belongs to the ideal or mythical world or a world that doesn't exist so they squat on the real world and make a mess of it. I chose to become an Ordinarian because I want to live in the real world and believe me it is much better world than that world where you live among those transcendental beings, like those heroes, martyrs , and saints where there will always be war and poverty. How do you become one? It's easy, just uphold the Five Basic Principles of the ordinary people and they are:1. Don't be a burden!2. Be independent!3. Strive to be equal and be counted!4. Be practical!5. Learn and improve!If you think of yourself as a hero, a martyr, or a saint then you don't need those principles, but if you think of yourself as just only human, you will certainly need them, if you adopt them, welcome to the real world brother, the world where we are only human.sardaan Ordinarian
sarda karaniwanParticipantWar and poverty creates heroes, martyrs, and saints. Peace and prosperity negates heroes, martyrs, and saints.Heroes, martyrs, and saints are all human sacrifices. Now that there is "war on terror", we will be seeing more of them.It makes me wonder, do you?I think heroes, martryrs, and saints can be attributed to this concept callled God, I mean, if you believe that God is on your side wouldn't you feel brave too?sardaan Ordinarian
sarda karaniwanParticipantAlan, the workers are the most materialist people of society or else they would not be working. I know that the idea of cooperative has been around for a long time, and I also know that most of them fails. First, it fails because there is really no socialist guidance to it, you see, it goes like this, if a simple cooperative program cannot be run effectively by a socialist, how much more governing a country or society?Another reason is that, most of these cooperatives are all profit-oriented, all members think they are shareholders, they all expect a share in the profit, people are made to think like capitalist, but in reality, all the people and the workers only want is to save, have some savings. A cooperative must be a place where one can save money or help extends one's purchasing power for a longer time.Anoher reason is that it doesn't uprade to another level like establishing a cooperative school, where people like you and other devoted socialist can teach and share that "socialist map" you are talking about, and finally a little cooperative industry, where people can get a job. So cooperative store or market, cooperative school and cooperative industry, and the cooperative triangle is complete, this is nowhere like the Mondragon cooperative where it only stays on one kind of cooperative, it is where the workers start to control the three main institutions of society, the school, the industry, the market. this is where the workers starts to competes and rivals it capitalist nemesis. With so many unemployed, where do you think these people will go?As I have said, ordinary people are by nature materialist, you can talk of the "brand" for all its beauty, but if it's only a label and the real product doesn't exist, people won't buy it, because, they cannot buy it.People should know what it is that they are really fighting for, and not wait just only for the reason that they are hungry.I guess that is why I am not a socialist, nor I will claim to be, It's hard to have the knowledge and thought, too many things to read, it is not for the ordinary people to understand.sardaan Ordinarian
sarda karaniwanParticipantI always believe that a product in order that people may be able to buy it and taste it, must come first into existence. But trying to sell only label without yet the product attached to it will surely make people stay with the old brand for a while. Cooperative is a taste test of socialism. Don't expect the workers to join the socialist party, it is the socialist who should join the workers, and the union cooperative is a chance to give it a socialist guidance. It is the chance for the workers to see and taste what the product is all about. sardaan Ordinarian
sarda karaniwanParticipantThe workers' morality is based on these principles1. Don't be a burden!2. Be independent!3.Strive to be equal and be counted!4. Be practical!5. Learn and improve!This is what the economic condition tells them to do, as the wage becomes lower and lower and the prices of commodities becomes higher and higher, the more they will cling to those principles. I don't think that charity will have a place in the workers household anytime soon. Unless the workers are being forced to accept the morality coming from the church that is in order to be called "good" you must adopt the principles of saints and martyrs, but I guess this why ordinary workers look "bad". Morality is what being human is all about, the Church has its own morality and the workers has its own. sardaan Ordinarian
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