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Nothing changes because the real increase in awareness – socialist consciousness – hasn't happened yet. The question is, can tactics be evolved and 'bigger connections' be made that will increase socialist consciousness, rather than consist of reformist or 'single issue' activity?
"We're socialists, we want to nationalise public services". No, I don't think that helps us at all. But there again she wasn't claiming to represent the WSM or the SPGB. Just a party with a similar name.At least we got a voice in the first two broadcasts, with as much air time as the other speakers.So what happened to Steve Clayton? I was looking forward to it.
"Harry insisted we should not allow the enemy to define the space within which we solve problems."I love that. It sums up the difference between reform and revolution.
Unsurprisingly, no mention of the capitalist class, or of owning and controlling the means of production and distribution.
I'm sure the likes of Morales are not far from knowing what the real solution is, if they don't already. In the article on Morales in the SS a few years ago he sounded in many respects like us, apart from the money thing: http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/socialist-standard/2000s/2008/no-1246-june-2008/material-world-evo-moralesa-call-socialismBut to attack capitalism outright on the world stage must be tricky. His views wouldn't go down too well with the governments with real clout. One could say that, in a sense, Morales is in the position socialist MPs would be in in the UK – seeing the need for socialism but in the meantime, presumably, supporting and helping to implement favourable reforms.
Wow! There can be no doubt that something is spreading. I wonder if the PLM in the Philippines, and Morales in Bolivia, are aware of the WSM?It would be nice to think of us as intermediaries between these 'socialistic' parties in various countries, and having enough clout to get them to work together and see the need to think worldwide and abolish government itself. I don't think groups such as Zeitgeist will be concerned with that sort of thing, being non-political.Dream over.
SocialistPunk wrote:I'm not really sure what is meant by "No man will stand for another"?Perhaps it refers to the practice of men giving others, usually women and the elderly, your seat on a full bus?Hmmm…I don't think it can mean that, because how can a system, as opposed to a man, give up its seat on a bus?I may be wrong but I think Paramjeet means that as individuals we are weak and divided and liable to be greedy, and so we need a benevolent state to look after us all and keep us in line. But maybe he will enlighten us with another essay.
I certainly agree that only a democratic socialist system can satisfy mankind's needs. We in the WSM say that world socialism will bring to an end class-divided society (capitalist v worker). There will therefore be no role for the state, as there will be nobody to rule and nobody to be ruled. Needs and wants will be decided and satisfied democratically by the community, without money changing hands (there will be no money).But there again, if you've perused our website carefully, I'm sure you realise all this.As to greed – in a socialist world where everybody knows they can take what they need, not just to survive but to live a comfortable, fulfilling life – why should anyone want to take more than they need? What would they do with it? It's only because capitalist society effectively rations things, by ensuring only those who can afford can have, that people become envious of others and 'greedy' for more.
