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Alan here’s a temporary 24 hour duration invite. Just click on the link
I notice the number if people joining Discord is rising though not as fast as one would have hoped. Is there any way of spreading the word further and faster? As I understand it you dont need to be a member of the SPGB to join
Can a constantly updated 24 hour invite be posted on this thread for people t click and join
Since people are talking about Sweden here’s some info on the pandemic there
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
Also, this might be relevant
And there is no comparison with flu
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That is no reason for optimism, as the authors of the study in The Lancet note. The researchers offer an overall CFR for Covid-19 at 1.38 percent, which reflects their estimates for lack of testing and other factors, including potential censorship. This number, they noted, is still “substantially higher than for recent influenza pandemics (e.g. H1N1 influenza in 2009)” — “swine flu” — which had a case fatality rate of 0.1 percent. Their estimated CFR, “combined with likely infection attack rates (around 50-80 percent), show
that even the most advanced health-care systems are likely to become overwhelmed.” It is clear that this is far worse than the seasonal flu.”We are gonna have to change the way we farm
It is sometimes argued that the mortality rate of the virus is overestimated because of the number of asymptomatics or individuals presenting mild symptoms who are not aware they have the virus. I read somewhere that the real number of people with the virus may be at least double the number of confirmed cases. Perhaps someone with more up to date information can post a link on this.
However the flipside of the coin is that the real number of deaths from the virus – be it a primary or contributory cause – may be underestimated. In the UK for example only hospital deaths are officially counted but the actual death toll may be at least double this…
So, assuming all other countries had strong shelter in place rules, note that there are at least 6 countries in Europe that have a higher COVID-19 mortality per capita than Sweden, even though they have shelter in place.
I note that a lot of Ancaps on the Ancap versus Ancom FB forum i am on have cited Sweden as an example of how to deal with the virus because it involves a less heavy handed approach by the state. Unfortunately, the figures now coming through show that this approach may not be working:
“Alarming data has shown Sweden’s approach to containing coronavirus has led to a far greater number of fatalities than their Nordic neighbours.As a result of the spiralling numbers, the country’s prime minister, Stefan Lofven, has received criticism for his government’s light-touch strategy to contain Covid-19.”
Looking for ‘anarchic capitalists’? Well here for example: http://ronpaulinstitute.org .
Ancaps Ive debated with on FB upheld Sweden as a shining example of a more libertarian approach to the the virus. Now that the number of cases has risen sharply there and th Swedish government has come under heavy criticism. our Ancaps have gone distinctly quiet
Quite an interesting article on why India has been relatively unscathed thus far by the virus. This could have implications for other parts of the world
Grim and this comment in the comment section adds a further dimension – the aftercare needed for those who survive the virus :“Finally, a piece which speaks to something near the truth. Some people cannot or refuse to understand that this virus is different and will not follow a predictive course. Those same people are burying their heads in the sand and wishing for a return to their lives pre-Covid19. Newsflash that reality isn’t coming back, ever. For the avoidance of doubt read what drs etc have learned about the after effects of those lucky enough to recover from a dose – lung, heart, liver and kidney damage which require ongoing medical care. So even if the predicted deaths of 600,000 isn’t sobering enough or ‘worth it’ has some would suggest, the prospect of hundreds of thousands needing for example ongoing dialysis care should be enough to knock the herd immunity hypothesis on the head. So forget going back to ‘normal’, think about how we go forward.“According to this article the UK is predicted to have the worst death toll form the virus in Europe
Predictable I guess. The limits of Sander’s vision is a humanised form of capitalism. Now he is discovering that, to keep capitalism ticking over in any form, certain unpalatable measures have to be taken that favour the interests of the capitalists as against those of the workers
Can someone give me a history lesson here?
1918/19 – Spanish Flu
50 – 100 Million Deaths2020 – Covid 19
66 Thousand Deaths so far (whilst infections look as if they are in plateau in at least in some territories)Ozy I understand that the number of deaths for the Spanish flu were compounded by famine in places like India which lowers the body’s immunological resistance. Also, given the reality of trench warfare in WW! you can imagine how this provide ideal conditions for the contagion to spread
This link might be of interest
https://medium.com/@robertroybritt/covid-19-pandemic-has-only-just-begun-e23a4b5694bb
Anybody know more about this?
“Dr. Vladimir Zelenko has now treated 699 coronavirus patients with 100% success using Hydroxychloroquine Sulfate, Zinc and Z-Pak ”
Patients saw the symptom of shortness of breath resolved within four to six hours after treatment. Dr. Zelenko said the whole treatment costs only $20 over a period of 5 days with 100% success.
Britain wants compensation from China. Fat chance of that happening
