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This is not the end of capitalism, it might be the end of one of its forms, but it might adopt a different now and it will continue operating.
True. But I think the pandemic could bring about a certain contraction or hollowing out of capitalist relations of production. I sincerely doubt that we will ever get back to “business as normal” after this
Talking of which here is something that landed in my in tray this morning
The main economic impact is going to be in developing countries. If people in the developed capitalist countries think they’ve knocked for six economically speaking imagine what it must like working in the informal or black economy in some vast megalopolis somewhere. I am struggling to envisage what is going to happen in the next few years even if capitalism does not implode (which is unlikely)
I can see disaster looming ahead for India and at so many different levels. It could well overtake the US as the new epicentre of the virus in a few weeks time
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https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2707708222675521
The experts were called in some time ago, reminded a month ago.
Hi Matt,
Any chance they could reminded again as the state of the forum is not good, its just not running well and some of the longer threads are very slow to open. I think we need to get the forum in tip top form because with lockdown its likely that we are going to see an increase in participation rates…
What about the refugee camps and the vast crowded slums in places like Africa , Bangladesh and the Middle East (Syria, Yemen etc )? After America , these countries could soon become the new epicentre of the virus. War is an important factor in spreading the virus through the creation millions of refugees fleeing to overcrowded camps and as in Libya, the warmongering death cultists are cynically taking advantage of the situation when the eyes of the world are focussed on the virus, to pursue their disgusting objectives
“We’ve seen how countries with advanced health and disaster management systems, across Europe and in the US, have struggled with the coronavirus,” Miliband told FRANCE 24. “Imagine what it’s going to be like where there is no proper health system, where there is no public health system – those are the places where the International Rescue Committee works.” https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20200331-interview-coronavirus-could-run-rampant-in-poor-countries-irc-chief-david-miliband-warns
More updated figures on infection rates and mortality rates
A rather disturbing and very informative report of the deteriorating situation in America which is now pulling away from the rest of the world as the new global epicentre of the virus
https://medium.com/the-atlantic/how-the-pandemic-will-end-c6200beea706
This is a very interesting article. So capitalist agribusiness may very well be what lies behind this virus https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/spotlight/is-factory-farming-to-blame-for-coronavirus/ar-BB11Qjbo?ocid=spartandhp
I agree. The forum seems to be becoming increasing difficult to use and its quite off-putting. I too have just lost a post
Dave
From my reading of the literature the scientific consensus seems to be that the mortality rate for the virus is about 1% . The initial WHO estimate of 3.4 % was adjusted downward after taking into account many people may have the virus without knowing it.
By contrast the mortality rate for flu is o.1% i.e. ten times less
https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html
If this whole thing is a hoax as you suggest then why would the capitalists cause such enormous self inflicted damage to their economy and for what possible purpose????
This is something for which I have yet to come across a remotely plausible explanation
What is the motive that the capitalist class – collectively, not just one vested interest section nor one national group – seek to cut off their nose to spite their face?
Exactly. This is why I just dont buy the argument that the threat of the virus is overblown or conspiracy theories that it is a man-made virus deliberately intended to cull the populace.
As I understand it the best epidemiological evidence is that the mortality rate is at least ten times that of flu. The death toll may be comparatively low now but that is only because the virus is so new and so few people have been infected thus far. If and when infections become far more widespread -particularly in places like Africa which doesn’t have the resources to cope – the death toll will sadly rise dramatically
Just to slightly change the focus to more practical matters should anyone here have the misfortune to contract the virus…
I am certainly no expert on the subject and cannot vouch for any of the remedies offered (though they dont appear to be listed among those discounted as mere quackery) Two or three stand out should you find yourself in self isolation anxious about your own condition, but not yet in a severe enough condition to warrant hospitalisation. This is likely to be the case in the UK which does not have the capacity to accommodate the expected increase in the numbers of confirmed cases
The first involves increased consumption of vitamin C . You could supplement consumption of citrus fruits with chewable tablets https://medium.com/@MaraLeverkuhn/vitamin-c-dramatically-helps-against-coronavirus-infection-romanian-biophysicist-2341dc7e7a38
The second is the use of Sudafed spray decongestant. A number of anecdotal reports on FB have suggested it could make a discernible difference
Thirdly, it is believed that the coronavirus like other viruses cannot withstand high temperatures and for which reason it tends to proliferate in the sinuses which is the coldest part of the head. The remedy involves using a simple hairdryer and water spray to direct heated water molecules into the nostrils to penetrate the sinuses. Here is the link in question
https://video.fgrx1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t42.3356-2/10000000_3137921649605593_1942141082901179688_n.mp4/video-1584608672.mp4?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=060d78&_nc_ohc=V_Frse0Ot1AAX8cTjhj&vabr=470626&_nc_ht=video.fgrx1-1.fna&oh=b9ead3872e6f43b0910541ddd2b7142b&oe=5E744C65&dl=1There is finally this Internal email for staff in St George’s Hospital
Virus Detection:
The simplest way to distinguish Coronavirus from a Common Cold is that the COVID-19 infection does not cause a cold nose or cough with cold, but it does create a dry and rough cough.
The virus is typically first installed in the throat causing inflammation and a feeling of dryness. This symptom can last between 3 and 4 days.
The virus typically then travels through the moisture present in the airways, goes down to the trachea and installs in the lungs, causing pneumonia that lasts about 5 or 6 days.
Pneumonia manifests with a high fever and difficulty breathing. The Common Cold is not accompanied, but there may be a choking sensation. In this case, the doctor should be called immediately.
Experts suggest doing this simple verification every morning: Breathe in deeply and hold your breath for 10 seconds. If this can be done without coughing, without difficulty, this shows that there is no fibrosis in the lungs, indicating the absence of infection. It is recommended to do this control every morning to help detect infection.
Prevention:
The virus hates heat and dies if it is exposed to temperatures greater than 80°F (27°C). Therefore hot drinks such as infusions, broths or simply hot water should be consumed abundantly during the day. These hot liquids kill the virus and are easy to ingest.
Avoid drinking ice water or drinks with ice cubes.
Ensure that your mouth and throat are always wet, never DRY. You should drink a sip of water at least every 15 minutes. WHY? Even when the virus enters water or other liquids through the mouth, it will get flushed through the oesophagus directly into the stomach where gastric acids destroy the virus. If there is not enough water, the virus can pass into the trachea and from there to the lungs, where it is very dangerous.
For those who can, sunbathe. The Sun’s UV rays kill the virus and the vitamin D is good for you.
The Coronavirus has a large size (diameter of 400-500 nanometers) so face masks can stop it, no special face masks are needed in daily life.
If an infected person sneezes near us, stay 10 feet (3.3 meters) away to allow the virus fall to the ground and prevent it from falling on you.
When the virus is on hard surfaces, it survives about 12 hours, therefore when hard surfaces such as doors, appliances, railings, etc. are touched, hands should be washed thoroughly and/or disinfected with alcoholic gel
The virus can live nested in clothes and tissues between 6 and 12 hours. Common detergents can kill it. Things that cannot be washed should be exposed to the Sun and the virus will die.
The transmission of the virus usually occurs by direct infection, touching fabrics, tissues or materials on which the virus is present.
Washing your hands is essential.
The virus survives on our hands for only about 10 minutes. In that time many things can happen, rubbing the eyes, touching the nose or lips. This allows the virus to enter your throat. Therefore, for your good and the good of all, wash your hands very often and disinfect them.
You can gargle with disinfectant solutions (i.e. Listerine or Hydrogen Peroxide) that eliminate or minimize the amount of virus that can enter the throat. Doing so removes the virus before it goes down to the trachea and then to the lungs.
Disinfect things touched often: cellphone, keyboard, mouse, car steering wheel, door handles, etc
