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“When was Russia invaded? When was there any attack on Russia?”
When Donbass was recognised as independent it sought protection from Russia against Ukrainian agression.
__________________________________________Well from the capitalist perspective that TS endorses, if that was the case why did the Russian military not simply enter Donbas to “protect” it and go no further? Why attempt a doomed assault on Kyiv? The authoritarian capitalist regime of Putin blundered badly in its imperialist designs on Ukraine.
Not that we socialists care two hoots about the capitalist concept of the nation-state or so-called “national liberation”, mind you, even if a rabid anti-socialist right winger like TS evidently does
“Zelensky does nothing but lie. He’s been lying since he came into office. Since when has he paid a price? ”
——————————————BOTH sides lie but unlike bootlickers of the Putin capitalist regime like you, we socialists don’t fall for the lies of just one side. We condemn both
“Surely to bring pressure on NATO to intervene militarily.”
In which case Zelinsky has overreached himself and has shot himself in the foot by lying. It just goes to reinforce the point constantly made by socialists here- you cannot believe the propaganda emanating from either side in this sordid capitalist conflict. A plague on both their houses!
“Russia is helping to usher in a new, multipolar, anti-imperialist world order.”
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Absolute BS. TS does not know what imperialism is. What we are seeing is simply the slight reconfiguration of the imperialist world order with American imperialism standing to lose ground to Chinese imperialism. Capitalism is global. Imperialism is simply the political and economic expression of capitalism’s grow-or-die expansionist dynamic. Every corner of this capitalist world is latently or manifestly imperialist because every part of the world is capitalist“In June 1966 all teaching stopped in Chinese schools. Instead, pupils had to gaze at a portrait of Mao every day.”
—————————————————Came across this. Confirms the impression of Maoism as a mass religious cult. How anyone can fall for that BS is hard to fathom….
“More than 1 million schools and China’s 43 universities at the time were made to stop classes in 1966, soon after Nie’s poster. Schools reopened only in 1969, and colleges in 1970. A total of 107 million school students and 534,000 college students were impacted, according to Julia Kwong, professor of sociology at the University of Manitoba in Canada and author of the book Cultural Revolution in China’s Schools, May 1966–April 1969. Then, as now, China had the world’s largest education system.
“The Cultural Revolution has to be one of the biggest disruptions to education in the modern world … anywhere,” says Albert Park, professor of economics, social science and public policy at the Hong Kong University of Science and Technology.”
Interesting this – the circumstances surrounding the murder of the Wagner group recruit and ex-convict, Nuzhin. Goes to show you can’t trust the propaganda of either side in this stupid pointless capitalist conflict…..
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-kyiv-exchange-wagner-pmc-ex-con-beaten-death-russia-1759703
“Missile that hit Poland is unlikely to have been fired from Russia, Biden says”
For once Biden appears to be talking sense. Why would capitalist Russia want to widen the war against it? Same with the Nordstream pipeline incident. How would Russia have benefitted from it? We can’t believe the propaganda from western sources any more than we can believe the propaganda from Russian sources
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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/missile-that-hit-poland-is-unlikely-to-have-been-fired-from-russia-biden-says/ar-AA149QsJ?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=988488330c6048a1acc161e3316a0411Far from Russia “decisively winning the war”, it seems to be sustaining loss after loss and now, if these reports are correct, it is losing the support of China too. It is increasingly clear the authoritarian capitalist regime of Putin made a monumental blunder with its invasion of Ukraine
_______________________________________________________“We must firmly oppose politicisation, instrumentalisation and weaponisation of food and energy problems,” the Chinese president told the summit in Bali.
Mr Xi did not single out Russia and reiterated his opposition to Western sanctions policy, but the remarks will be seen as a signal of Beijing’s unease over the war and of Moscow’s growing isolation on the world stage.
According to Emmanuel Macron, Mr Xi also suggested Ukraine’s territorial integrity must be respected.
After meeting with his counterpart at the summit, the French president said: “Together with President Xi Jinping, we call for respect for the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine.”
War brutalizes all who support it. No side is worth supporting in this capitalist conflict. A plague on both their houses! The only sane and socialist response to the capitalist carnage
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“Reuters is carrying some additional details on the allegation that both Ukrainian and Russian forces have mistreated prisoners of war during the conflict.Matilda Bogner, head of the UN’s OHCHR monitoring mission, told a Geneva press briefing that the “vast majority” of Ukrainian prisoners they interviewed held by Russian forces reported torture and ill-treatment.
She gave examples of dog attacks, electric shocks with Tasers and military phones and sexual violence.
She said the treatment was aimed at intimidating and humiliating them. One man in a penal colony near Olenivka told the team that members of Russian-affiliated armed groups “attached wires to my genitalia and nose and shocked me. They simply had fun and were not interested in my replies to their questions.”
On the Ukrainian side, Bogner reported “credible allegations” of summary executions of Russian prisoners among other abuses.
Other Russian prisoners reported poor and humiliating conditions of transport and of being packed into trucks or vans naked, with their hands tied behind their backs. The UN team said it had also documented cases of so-called “welcome beatings” at a penal colony.”
“Robotomy, you know calling me a Stalinist isn’t insulting, right? It’s a badge of honor.”
———For you, it is no doubt but its good that you have come out into the open and revealed the intellectual basis of your obnoxious authoritarian outlook
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“– it is about gaining “huge swathes of territory and the resources and populations therein”.”Correlation is not causation. If the Russian speaking population inhabited barren, worthless desert the result would be the same.
—————————————Your idealist (non-Marxist) approach to understanding history is painfully obvious here. I guess you actually do believe that wars have nothing to do with the competitive struggle for markets, resources, trade routes, and so forth. In your mind, they are all about noble ideals – “freedom” “democracy” and so forth. You are just as naive and gullible as the supporters of the Ukrainian regime who assert that the war against Russia is a struggle against tyranny etc. Whether the “Russian speaking population inhabited barren, worthless desert the result would be the same” is something for which, as per usual, you provide zero evidence. It suits your style of “argument by assertion”. Like your daft claim that imperialist Russia is “decisively winning the war” having just lost Kherson and other parts of Ukraine
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“So all that talk about wanting to “de-nazify” Ukraine was a load of bollocks.”
It’s never only been about de-nazification. It’s also about demilitarization, ending Kiev’s vicious slaughter of the people of Donbas and security agreements guaranteeing no NATOstani (US) infrastructure on Russia’s border.
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We have already covered the question of de-Nazification. Ukraine is no more a Nazi state than Russia is – unless you want to render the term Nazi meaningless – though both are clearly repugnant authoritarian capitalist regimes. Naturally as a supporter of one of these you see no problem with the notion that Russia as a capitalist nation-state should be able to protect its “national security” – the nation-state itself being a capitalist construct. This is why you find it so hard to understand let alone appreciate the socialist opposition to war and to both sides in this conflict. Your whole outlook is thoroughly rooted in a capitalist ideology—————————————————-
“Putin is not an autocrat, he’s elected. If he was unpopular he’d be voted out of office. The Russian people don’t do so because he enjoys huge popular support. Under his leadership the looting of Russia was halted and its sovereignty restored.”
———————————–LOL TS . You live on another planet. So the muzzling of opposition parties and the press, the suppression of protests etc etc is not clear proof that we talking about an autocratic regime, is it?. BTW Being autocratic does not necessarily mean being unpopular. The de facto monarch of capitalist North Korea Kim Jong-un is an autocrat by any standard but is no doubt “popular” ‘ meaning if you don’t display your craven support for him things could happen to you – and your family
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“Mr Putin is the best recruiting sergeant for the cause of the small Ukrainian Nazi movement they could ever have hoped for.”That’s perfectly OK. As a result more Nazis will die. It’s a win-win.
——————So your answer to the nazi problem is to become like a nazi yourself. Kill anyone who holds an opinion you disagree with
And remind me how losing WW2 influenced even more Germans into embracing Nazi ideology? Oh that’s right, it didn’t.
________________________________________________There is a big difference. Nazi Germany invaded Russia. This time around it was Russia that invaded Ukraine. From the point of someone adhering to a nationalist ideology that matters. This is why an invading army finds it so much more difficult to hold on to another country than to conquer it. Not only was the Russian invasion force too small to conquer Ukraine but from the standpoint of maintaining control over the territory the size of the invasion force was even less adequate. Under Russian control, Ukrainian fascism would have likely grown in strength
“And Ukraine will be forced into unconditional surrender.”
After Russia’s loss of Kherson to the Ukrainian military these last few days, hot on the heels of losses they have incurred elsewhere in Ukraine, you have to worry about TS’s state of mind to come out with delusional stuff like this.
Russia’s invasion looks more likely to peter out with it holding on more or less to the territory it has now or perhaps a little less followed by the de facto partitioning of Ukraine. Hopefully this stupid and utterly pointless capitalist conflict – pointless from the point of view of both Russian and Ukrainian workers – will soon come to end
“Which means in practice when the US judges that Russia has been sufficiently weakened.”
But Russia will only be stronger. It has gained huge swathes of territory and the resources and populations therein
______________________________________________________Ah ha, so finally the cracks are beginning to appear in the facade. Now our True Stalinist is beginning to inadvertently reveal the real capitalist motivations behind his master’s imperialistic ambitions – it is about gaining “huge swathes of territory and the resources and populations therein”.
So all that talk about wanting to “de-nazify” Ukraine was a load of bollocks. Just so much hot air that gullible fools can faithfully regurgitate on demand. “It must be true cos Putin said it” LOL.
Putin has no problem with the idea of some autocratic rightwing corrupt regime existing on his doorstep. After all, he heads one himself. I still want to know from TS, however, how he imagines you can possibly hope to “de-nazify” a country – assuming Ukraine was a Nazi country – by firing missiles at it and whipping up its citizens into a state of reactionary ultra-nationalism in defense of their so-called homeland
Mr Putin is the best recruiting sergeant for the cause of the small Ukrainian Nazi movement they could ever have hoped for.
According to this article, the Ukrainian capture of Kherson might present an opportunity for a negotiated peace Who knows?
