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“8% of Russians are not patriots That’s a pleasing, and surprisingly high number.”
Absolutely. Nationalism or patriotism (its the same thing really) is a mental disease. It is THE ideology of capitalism par excellance. It is the means by which the capitalist owning class divides and rules over the global working class. The less nationalistic people are the better the prospects for workers – and humanity in general
As the Communist Manifesto says “The working men have no country. We cannot take from them what they have not got.”
“You have to hand it to capitalism, it’s managed to negotiate (in a less than smooth way) technological innovation from the first primitive steam engines right up to these AI gizmos (and beyond?).”
————————————-That´s an anthropomorphism, though. “Capitalism” doesn’t do anything. It’s basically just a set of rules. It’s flesh-and-blood people that innovate and produce things. The question is whether they would be better off with this particular set of rules or without it.
7. You are free to express your views candidly and forcefully provided you remain civil. Do not use the forums to send abuse, threats, personal insults or attacks, or purposely inflammatory remarks (trolling). Do not respond to such messages.
lizzie45
Is this some kind of joke? If you want to get rid of the trolling get rid of the source of the problem and we all know who that is don’t we? But at least you’ve shown your true colours as a hypocrite by selectively excluding that person´s constant trolling from your feeble attempt at a joke…
It seems Macron is making waves and upsetting some of his European counterparts in the process
Still think NATO isn’t being demilitarised? Don’t answer that, you’re all too stupid to think for yourselves. If the Guardian ain’t saying it it ain’t happening, am I right? Lol
————–Nobody here gives a stuff what you think, TS, or perhaps you are too stupid not to have twigged that yet. We don’t give stuff which side is “winning” or which is being “demilitarized”. Apart from the arms manufacturers and the coffin makers, perhaps, nobody wins in a war – least of all the working class who have been dragooned into fighting on one or other side of this capitalist conflict between two rival imperialist blocs on the made-up pretexts that are fighting “Ukrainian fascism” or, alternatively, “Russian fascism” (as many Ukrainians see it).
So you can stick your sick sociopathic pro-nationalist pro-capitalist views somewhere where the sun doesn’t shine as far as I am concerned and crawl back under whatever rock you came from….
Interesting comparison….
“We call on all AI labs to immediately pause for at least 6 months the training of AI systems more powerful than GPT-4,” the scientists wrote. “If such a pause cannot be enacted quickly, governments should step in and institute a moratorium.”
Musk and others fear the destructive potential of AI, that an all-powerful “artificial general intelligence” could have profound dangers for humanity.
But their demand for a six-month ban on developing more advanced AI models has been met with scepticism. Yann LeCun, the top AI expert at Facebook-parent company Meta, compared the attempt to the Catholic church trying to ban the printing press.
“Imagine what could happen if the commoners get access to books,” he said on Twitter.”
Good to see others opposing this brutal capitalist war….
“No War but the Class War: Statement from NWBCW Miami”
“….Likewise, the scattered anti-war actions that have been reported so far—protests in Russia, soldiers disobeying their orders in Ukraine, refusals to handle shipments by dockers in the UK and Italy, sabotage by railway workers in Belarus—need to take on an autonomous working-class perspective to be truly anti-war, otherwise, they will be ripe for manipulation by one of the warring capitalist powers. Support for Russia or Ukraine in this conflict means support for war. The only way to end this nightmare is not for workers to line up on one side of it, but to fraternize across borders to bring down the war machine.
This is why we say, emphatically: no war but the class war! The ruling classes are already waging their war on us and the planet. If they want more war and bloodletting, let them march on the battlefields themselves, rifles in hand, and fight it out amongst themselves. The working people of the world must not allow ourselves to become cannon fodder for their wars. Rather, it is up to us—the great majority without whom everything grinds to a halt—to stop our rulers’ war plans and create the alternative.”
The utter stupidity and sheer waste and destruction of this inter-capitalist war between rival imperialist blocs continues to astound me. This site has some interesting information
“Wars have been fought and lost for access to energy, be it in the form of resources such as fossil fuels, or control of strategic industries like metallurgy, or agricultural lands. For example, oil may not have been the reason for the Iraq war, but it sure was a reason, and a major one.
The hunger for Ukraine’s resources
To feed the motor of continuous economic expansion, countries need ever more resources. Ukraine is one of the world’s most resource-rich countries. The Donbas and Mariupol regions alone contain in ‘commercially viable quantities’, a large majority of the most used minerals and metals in today’s economies.A part of the 3 to 11.5 trillion dollars worth of resources in Ukraine is now under Russian boots. This includes elements such as tantalum and niobium that are used for green(er) technologies as well as aviation, transportation and construction. As the amounts of elements like tantalum and niobium are state secrets, it is hard to estimate how much of it is now in Russian hands, but these materials are found in Donetsk and south of Zaporizhzhia, which are occupied by Putin’s invading army.”
“Don’t tell Knobbo, All-in or Bojo’s Brain, they’ll each have a stroke. They still think it’s 1916.”
Take a hike you dreary bore
I think I have encountered a more thoughtful and considered response from the most entrenched and dogmatic Jehovah Witness than I have from this joker, TS. There is no argument to sink your teeth into, just an endless stream of boring vitriol.
I liked the bit about “black and white” mind you. Because that exactly describes his simple-minded childish view of the world: Russia, Good; Ukraine, Bad. This is how capitalism perpetuates itself – by dividing the workers who are encouraged to imagine their enemies are fellow workers elsewhere, and then ruling over them.
I still don’t quite know what this individual is doing on this forum. He is, clearly, vehemently opposed to Marxian socialism even if he has little understanding of what that is about and no interest in finding out more. Does he imagine he is going to bring anyone here around to his disgusting sociopathic and hyper-nationalistic warmongering worldview? There is not a snowflake´s chance in hell of that happening. So why is he even bothered to engage with us? Very odd, that….
Lol. Thankfully most socialists in the world actually want to implement their ideas and understand seizing power us the only way to do so. Anyway dumb as, show me the law of the universe where socialists don’t “propose to be in charge”.
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You know very well what that means. Or perhaps you don’t, on second thoughts. It means forming a “socialist government”. For socialists, this is an oxymoron. Of course, we want to implement socialism, you fool. But that is not the same thing as wanting to form a government. Jeez. how long have you been on this website? Have you not read anything about what we stand for? The state is a class institution and it disappears along with class ownership in a socialist society
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“We already know because it’s already happened. You get fascist counter-revolution”
—————————-So then enlighten us. Where has a grassroots mass movement “happened” seeking to bring about a moneyless wageless classless and stateless alternative to capitalism – socialism – eh? Because without such evidence you are just pissing in the wind. Of course, we all know what you mean by “socialism”. You are talking about state-run capitalism or maybe also what the Nazis called “socialism”. I am not sure which is these models you prefer but its got nothing to do with what actual socialists advocate
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“No, what happens is your socialist experiment is attacked by those capitalist states. You either organise a military response to the capitalists’ agression or you drown in a river of blood
————————————————–Rubbish. Do you seriously imagine you can have “socialism in one country” or that spread of socialist ideas could be contained within the borders of one country? Socialism is global in the same way that capitalism is. Other capitalist states will afflicted with the very same problem that afflicts the capitalist state you currently live under. A growing socialist movement represents a growing opposition to nationalism and capitalism´s wars that will make it increasingly difficult for capitalist states to wage war anywhere.
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So if I want to use arms to defend my socialist society from capitalist aggression I’m a nationalist?
—————————————Jeezus . Unbelievable. You are a self-declared zealot for nationalism and now you are seemingly protesting against the idea of being labelled as such for some odd reason. You are certainly not a socialist and your notion of a socialist society is in fact a (state) capitalist society. Nationalism and the nation-state are the historical products of capitalism and will disappear with the establishment of a socialist society which can only be a global society. Socialists dont defend something calls a nation state
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“Lol. The Russian state is not fascist.”
———————————-If the Russian state is not fascist then neither is Ukraine given that both are pretty much the same in character. There are fascists fighting for Ukraine but there are also fascists fighting for Russia. Ergo this is not a way “against fascism”. Putin is just an opportunist who needs to drum up a pretext to wage a war and what better way to do that than present it as some kind of noble enterprise directed against the threat of fascism? Useful idiots like yourself uncritically regurgitate this bilge without question. This war is a war of rival capitalist interests and words like fascism are just ideologically-charged ways of inducing the populace into support their local capitalists. The Ukraine state does it too. It argues that Ukrainian workers need to support the resistance against the threat of Russian fascism. Many Ukrainians see Russia as a fascist state and I have been on several forums where such an opinion is widely held
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No, you are feebly trying to make a case Russia’s war is aggression. Most of the world disagrees with you.
——————-Socialists dont support either side in this capitalist war. It takes two to tango. Russia invaded Ukraine, in this case, not the other way round. That is aggression however you want to dress it up. But then Ukraine is not blameless either nor for that is NATO and the West.
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It defeated German fascism.
——————–Yes but it didn’t defeat or eliminate fascist ideology per se did it? That´s the whole point that you blissfully ignore. You claimed that fascism could be defeated by military means which is a load of bollocks and must be by your very own logic since according to you, Ukraine and NATOSTAN today are fascists. Once again – you cannot kill an idea by killing those who espouse it. Ideas spring from historical circumstances. Fascism is the expression of ultra-nationalism. If you want to kill off fascism choke it off by attacking the putrid ideology of nationalism that fascism feed off
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It’s succeeding spectacularly in Ukraine.
—————————–LOL LOL LOL. Even from the standpoint of your own dumb logic, this makes no sense. For it to make sense in your terms would require Russian imperialism to successfully conquer and annex the whole of Ukraine. That’s not gonna happen, sunshine. (How long has the fighting been going on in Bakhmut BTW?) In the meanwhile can you imagine the depth of hatred towards all things Russian that is building up in Ukraine? If anything Putin´s stupid blunder is feeding the growth of “fascism” not eliminating it. He is no better than the Western imperialists who helped to orchestrate the Maidan takeover
The sooner this stupid war ends the better
What’s your point? Cos not all Germans were Nazis what? They shouldn’t have been met militarily and defeated on the battlefield? You’d employ teenage urges to stop the Nazi death machine from rolling across the world? Thank the Gods that you fools weren’t in charge back in the day. You’d have counseled jumping into the sea rather than shooting at a Nazi “worker”
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The stupidity of this guy knows no limits…
Socialists don’t propose to be “in charge” anyway but assuming TS means by that a situation where we would be a truly mass movement – what would happen then? What would happen then is that capitalist states would find it virtually impossible to wage war anywhere. See, socialist ideas come as a package of ideas (and values). One of these ideas is our fervent opposition to the putrid and malevolent ideology of nationalism. The relationship between nationalist ideas and socialist ideas is an inverse one. One can only grow at the expense of the other. Fascism is only ultra-nationalism. It too will weaken and die along with ordinary nationalism as the workers’ movement grows
Apart from that, you don’t kill an idea by killing those who espouse it. Ideas arise from certain historical and material conditions. In TS´s muddled brain, the current war being waged by the far-right ultra-nationalist Putin regime is a war against “fascism”. He is feebly trying to justify the Putin regime’s pretext for invading Ukraine on the grounds that this is the only way you can defeat fascism.
But hold on – how come if fascism was defeated in WW2 that we are once again confronted with the spectre of fascism in the guise of the Ukraine regime not to mention NATO itself? So defeating the Nazis in WW2 did NOT destroy fascism at all, did it?
TS is effectively admitting that his whole strategy for defeating fascism – that is by “turning fascists into fertiliser” – is foredoomed to failure.
Little wonder nobody takes this idiot seriously here. His only value is to provide entertainment (and I must concede that he is indeed a most entertaining clown)
Once again for the benefit of our resident clown, TS, here´s where the capitalist authoritarian president of Russia comes from ideologically speaking
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/10/26/how-fascist-are-putins-views
“And the Russians are leading the charge against right-wing extremism yet again. Putting an end to another fascist death cult.”
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lol lol lol
The Putin regime is a prime example of Right-wing authoritarian capitalism. Its leadership draws its ideological inspiration from the scribblings of a bona fide “Christian fascist”. The Russian side (like the Ukrainian side) includes out-and-out fascists. Given the marked similarities between both regimes if Ukraine is fascist then so too is Russia.
Game set and match, clown….
