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Another (poor I think) L.S.E. post.
Kieran Wright shows how Scottish Labour adopted a less left-leaning justification for its stance on the constitutional issue in the years after the party lost power to the Scottish National Party. Consequently, the party failed to present itself as a clearly left-of-centre alternative to the SNP and downplayed the progressive case for Scotland remaining in the UK.
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/scottish-labour-fmqs/
I found this article and the blokes research field interesting.
https://aeon.co/essays/does-consciousness-come-from-the-brains-electromagnetic-field?
While consistently advocating just such arrangements,
(The author of this book recognises this idea’s pedigree in stating that the ‘vision of post-scarcity was what “socialism” and “communism” had come to mean before later identification with Stalinist central planning and breakneck industrialisation’, and, in his final chapter, entitled ‘Necessity and Freedom’, he describes it variously as, ‘the abolition of private property and monetary exchange in favor of planned cooperation’, ‘a world of fully capacitated individuals … in which every single person could look forward to developing their interests and abilities with full social support’, ‘a world in which democratic associations of women and men replaced the rule of the market with competitive production – and taking advantage of capitalist technologies – reduced the common labors of necessity to expand a realm of individual freedom’, ‘a new form of life that does not organize itself around wage work and monetary exchange’, a society in which ‘everyone can go to the social storehouses and service centers to get what they need’, and finally ‘for most people (…) the first time in their lives that they could enter truly voluntary agreements – without the gun to their heads of a pervasive material insecurity’. In such a society ‘dis-alienating community life – by taking that life under democratic control and collective care – becomes the way to ensure that individual freedom is shared by all’.)
The Socialist Party has never sought to put forward detailed plans of how the new society of free access will be organised, since we would not seek to dictate now to the majority of socialist-minded workers at the time how to put into practice the plans they will have previously worked out about how to organise production and distribution cooperatively and democratically.
Your search on Marxists.org-
"democratic social productionism"site:www.marxists.org/archive/marx/ – did not match any documents.
However ,”democratic social production” returned theseOn SPGB “democratic social productionism”
Sorry, but nothing matched your search terms. Please try again with some different keywords.On SPGB, “democratic social production”, 223 results.
https://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/?=Democratic+social+productionOn SPGB Forum Search,
https://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/forum/search/democratic+social+productionism/Masses of stuff,
Marx did not use your terms ‘democratic social productionism in science’.
Answer Robbo’s very simple straight forward question and point.
Now deal with the arguments that demolish your crackpot non-Marxian idea about the need for scientific theories to be democratically voted upon by the global population.
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” The emancipation of the working classes must be conquered by the working classes themselves. We cannot, therefore, co-operate with people who openly state that the workers are too uneducated to emancipate themselves and must be freed from above by philanthropic big bourgeois and petty bourgeois.”
(1879 Marx and Engels )
There is a connection here between small capitalism and farming with alleviating some consequences of climate change.
No solution of course, but some mitigation of local issues.Apologies in advance.
Virtual Comrade William McGonagall came to mind.
Don’t mind him. He has lost it.
A problem with brainy, he gets to be Zany.
His Phi Beta Kapas mixed with Frank Zappa.
His mind mixed with brain an incredible slosh,
he thinks all scientists on the side of the posh.He see an elite, incredible feat,
to counter with which we vote with our feet,Instead of the thories,we’ll deliberate and meet,
to decide which is best, incredible choice,In the new world where we’ll all have a voice.
The above in connection to MATERIAL WORLD The ‘Polar Silk Road’ article.
But humans socially produce their ‘objects’, Matt.
Haven’t you read Marx?
Or are you, like robbo and now alan, now going to ditch Marx?
You get hung up on nonsense. Or you are just a troll.
As someone who thinks that humans create the objective world not wonder you object to the word!
Objective is defined as someone or something that is real or not imagined.
A thing or group of things existing independent of the mind.
Being, or regarded as being, independent of the mind; real; actual.
Of or having to do with a known or perceived object as distinguished from something existing only in the mind of the subject, or person thinking.
Anything external to or independent of the mind; something objective; reality.
It is being an asshole of the highest order not to see scientists and other specialists as members of the working class, who will continue to render a service in the classless society, to participate within the multi-disciplinary workplaces of the new society, within the limits which proceed from an advanced, democratic, production for us,free access, commonly owned world.
Haven’t you read Marx?
Or are you, like robbo and now alan, now going to ditch Marx?
Not so, for Robbo, Alan, or any of the SPGB.
” The emancipation of the working classes must be conquered by the working classes themselves. We cannot, therefore, co-operate with people who openly state that the workers are too uneducated to emancipate themselves and must be freed from above by philanthropic big bourgeois and petty bourgeois.”
(1879 Marx and Engels )
yes, I do think that “philosophical understanding is necessary for workers to make the socialist revolution”.
Ballocks.
Class consciousness and class interest will suffice.Class-consciousness. The objective social position of the working class is that they stand in an antagonistic relation to the capitalist class. When the working class become aware of this antagonism, the subjective dimension of class, they can abolish capitalism and establish socialism. As Marx put it, workers would develop from a class in itself (a common class position but without workers being aware of it), to become a class ‘for itself’ (a collective awareness among workers of their class position). (The Poverty of Philosophy, 1847).
Class-consciousness develops mainly out of the working class’s everyday experiences of the contradictions of capitalism (poverty amidst plenty, etc.). These contradictions are, in turn, derived from the most basic contradiction of capitalism: the contradiction between social production and class ownership of the means of production.
Class struggle. ‘The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggle’ (Communist Manifesto). Marx and Engels later qualified this to refer to written history in order to take account of early primitive communist societies in which class divisions had not yet emerged. In ancient society the struggles were between slave owners and slaves. In feudal society between lords and serfs. And in capitalism, capitalists and workers.
These struggles have been over the distribution of the social product, the organisation of work, working conditions and the results of production. The class struggle is more than a struggle over the level of exploitation, however. Ultimately it is a struggle over the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution. Throughout history, classes excluded from the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution have been driven by their economic situation to try to gain such ownership through gaining political power.
Below makes no difference to us, but it is still a different take on the usual media stuff.
While Scottish independence would have immediate economic costs, history suggests there are long-term benefits.
By contrasting Scotland and England to the Slovak Republic and Czech Republic’s ‘Velvet Divorce’, Richard Mackenzie-Gray Scott and Geoffrey Chapman suggest that an independent Scotland will continue growing real GDP per capita despite higher trade costs.In light of the ongoing challenges facing the UK, the idea of Scottish independence seems unpalatable to many, but the news implies strong support.
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/scottish-independence-cost/
The thread is as stated,DIGITAL TECHNOLOGY AND SOCIALISM.
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Contact Forum adminStill they resist as children are killed.
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/mar/28/fear-turns-to-fury-in-myanmar-as-children-shot-by-military
