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I believe it was Alan, and, if he is a meat-eater, he is certainly aware that vegetarianism is slowly becoming the future.
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There is no IF about it. He is no more aware than any of the rest of us, the current trend in the direction of travel.
Are you unaware that bonds of friendship are frequently formed between humans and nonhumans, Matt? And not just in the domestic “pet” relationship.
I urge you to read Masson, Adamson, Fitzjohn, Uhlenbroek, Goodall, Bekoff, and numerous others.
Oh Golly Gosh! Really?
This is like watching ‘Blue Peter’.
Only a human supremacist is upset by being reminded s/he is an animal.
Arrogant, moralistic, condescending assumption for your part again. I am not upset to consider myself a human animal.
You deny our natural ‘human animal’ onivorous propensities, to belittle them as supremacist.
If these are some of the methods the alleged majority of members are content to ignore or turn a blind eye to then that’s a further good reason for my recent decision to relinquish membership of the Party.
Where has any member said they were content to turn a blind eye to this?
It was a meat eater who posted that link up.
“That is hogwash from you Dave. There are fair sprinkling of vegans, vegetarians but meat eaters have no need to rationalise their naturally omniverous choice to eat meat and still want more humane animal husbandry.
That is a damned insult.”
It wasn’t an insult but an opinion. But you respond with insult. As admin or ‘keymaster’ of this forum you’re supposed to set some sort of example, not blatantly infringe the rules.
7. You are free to express your views candidly and forcefully provided you remain civil. Do not use the forums to send abuse, threats, personal insults or attacks, or purposely inflammatory remarks (trolling). Do not respond to such messages.BTW, the word you’re looking for is omnivorous…I was not refering to your comment, except as ‘hogwash’, but to the post by Mutual Aid.Have you never formed a bond with a fellow animal who is not a human?
That is an absurd, ridiculous, condescending, personal question from someone who, from a perceived moral highground, seeks to belittle and dehumanise others.
Here we are back again then, apparently unable to discuss fellow animals other than as food/objects of production.
You lambasted the “murdering” stray cat in your neighbourhood. Isn’t that hypocrisy?
Only in your patronising head as you ignored the fact of it ‘lie-ing behind me as I type’
Is this how you feel about fellow animals you can’t husband as food?
That fellow animal would eat me if it had no choice.
I’m beginning to think that not only would you be willing to be a slaughterman in socialism,
You are unaware of the general socialist response to, ‘who would do the dirty work?’.
The fact is if we get socialsim as a majority of meat eaters then someone would have to do the dirty work or it would not get done..
but that you are thinking of applying for the job as your job of choice in advance!
Why aren’t you one now, btw?
More personalised stuff from you.
Could you please provide details of the Party Poll which confirmed this “majority”? Or is it merely an arrogant assumption? My suspicion is that there is more support for MA’s position than perhaps you’d want to acknowledge.
That is hogwash from you Dave. There are fair sprinkling of vegans, vegetarians but meat eaters have no need to rationalise their naturally omniverous choice to eat meat and still want more humane animal husbandry.
That is a damned insult.
You are therefore rationalising in order to soothe your conscience, although I consider you to be wrong. But you are reasoning, even though I consider your reasoning at fault.
Rubbish. I am naturally omnivourous. I do not need to rationalise animal husbandry. I can certainly be opposed to the mass production and accelerated slaughtering methods where animals can suffer needlessly and in many instances workers can be traumatised with the killing methods being accelerated.
I have no doubt this will be much improved in the new society.
Times will change perceived needs and demands also. Most people I know have reduced their meat consumption and some are vegetarians and some vegans.
I have no need to soothe my conscience as you moralistically, condescendingly and judgementally, put it.
If I had permission to keep chickens out back, I would not baulk at eating their eggs or wringing their necks and detering too much predation by foxes and such.
As I don’t have and can’t get such permission, being a council house tenant where this is forbidden, I have to purchase the produce.
It is all irrational then.
Damn all to do with socialism though, when we will be able to make individually and collectively, rational decisions derived from mature reflection upon the circumstances presented by common ownership, for sustainable development rather than driven by the vested interests of food producers, whether plugging meat or veggie alternatives or the imposition of other’s choices upon us.
I have had disgusting brocolli and cheese sausages given to me for breakfast, with little say in the matter, as I don’t do the shopping.
I can’t enjoy a bacon butty or a sardines on toast sandwich, without encountering passive aggression in my own household.
My partner has no problem buying meat for the vicious, foul tempered, spitting, bird murdering, stray cat, currently lieing behind me as I type though.
By the way I was a veggie for years until my BMI showed the same as an undernourished peasant in east asia. I was down to 8 stone.
I had to begin returning to an omniverous diet for health reasons. I am now around the 9 and a half mark.
I know there a lot of fat vegans etc but I am not one of them.
And the recession that came wasn’t the one that was anticipated. It was not the result of the normal operation of the capitalist economy but was deliberately brought about by government action to deal with a pandemic.
I think we were definitely heading that way in any case, with the trade embargos tariff barriers being erected and post-Brexit stalemates to come.
Oh and Alan’s predictions must have rattled the markets.
Yes these are real people in these damn statistics. I got news at the beginning of May of a bloke who had no problems apart from early onset dementia, who was moved into a care home for his own good and died within weeks.
I spoke too soon. Adam and Darren worked on these below. So more additions as follows:
- Why Taxes Do Not Concern The Workers
- Jottings
- A Brief Exposition of Socialist Theory. (Continued.)
- Capitalism in East Africa
- Book Review: “The French Revolution.”
- A Christmas Carol
- Foster Parents
- Editorial: Hope Springs Infernal in the Worker’s Breast
- Party News: Our Thousand Pound Fund
- The Coal Miner and his Union
- Letter: Crusader Magazine
- Correspondence
- More “Cheap and Nasty.”
- Jottings
- Common-Sense or Super-Sense
- Capitalism in East Africa Part 2
- Dope and Anti-Dope
- Where Private Property Does Not Reign
- Parliament . . .
- The Key to Historical Development (Engels)
- Mass Production. How it affects the workers
- Capital’s Strangle-Hold
- Party News: £1000 Fund (image from Darren’s blog)
- Our Courageous Masters
