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St Pauli have a similar reputation. Here.
An ever present danger is the possibility of infiltration of these protests.
“Healthy children do not torture and kill fellow animals.”
Healthy animals do so. I rescued a terrified long eared vole yesterday in my deliberately ‘wild’ back garden, when I returned from the shops on my scooter.
Cats do this, just for kicks.
“Wez obviously feels no affinity with other animals.”
This is a mere judgemental assertion.
Even if your theory was true, the development of propertied societies was a positive development in terms of the development of the means to create a Socialist society. Meat eaters can therefore be thanked for the positive impact they have had in the development of the means of production to the point where a socialist society is possible, let’s have a big round of applause for the meat eaters!!!!
I’m off for a bacon butty to celebrate and get my strength upfor the class struggle.
Direct cash transfers to households: the Bank of England’s response to COVID-19 and the end of orthodoxy
I don’t know which thread is the most appropriate for this. It covers a number of areas of interest to us.
With the Bank of England likely to announce a further £200bn of monetary economic stimulus soon to combat the economic impact of the coronavirus crisis, Caroline Bentham argues they should think carefully about what they do with the money. She makes the case for a different design of central bank monetary stimulus – direct money transfers to households – and explains how this would work.
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/cash-transfers-boe-covid19/
And what is the point of you sending the Guardian piece on chickens? That they must not be allowed any raison d’etre than to be our food, because they are despicable?
A bit of light relief. Chickens fight back. The return of Bantam-weights.
How many millions of years were they here, waiting impatiently for us to eat them, so they would have a purpose?
Off you go again moralising platitudes.They are mini dinosaurs.
They don’t have a purpose other than that ascribed to them, any more than we do. They are just there.
The notion that all on Earth are resources for humans comes from the Bible, and is deep in the psychology of the west, where capitalism developed and from whence it colonised the Earth. Marxists have hitherto reproduced this psychology. That’s why you are unable to discuss other animals except as resources: as objects of use and production.
I am not unable to do so.
You don’t seem able to depart from this theme or see other animals in any other light.
I am able to do so.
(Which is why you trivialise any talk of other animals beyond the field of “resources” (“This is like Blue Peter” etc.)
No I’m reacting to your disparaging, moralising, contributions.
Even the piece you link to makes the following conclusion. I do not have a problem with this conclusion below.
“And yet, the pamphlet conceded that while the advent of socialism would mean positive change for animals, it would not necessarily mean the overall abolition of their use. “Disagreements would continue even in the society that would emerge as the communist movement developed to a stage where capitalism was in the process of being abolished across large parts of the world,” the text stated. “Communism is not the application of a universal moral code, or the creation of a uniform society, and there would be no state or similar mechanism to impose, say, veganism, even if many people thought it desirable. The question of how to live with animals might be resolved in different ways in different times and places. The animal liberation movement would form one pole of the debate.”
I take it you don’t recognise inter-species friendships?
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It is not about me. It is not a big deal for me. I don’t wet my knickers over it. You take and assume, too much about me and other comrades. I go about apololgising to rabbits and birds when I startle them on my mobiliy scooter. I know the names of all the dogs and cats in my street. I am more pleased to meet them than some of their minders.
I am not on here 24/7. I have much more work to do elsewhere on the site, so there may be some delay in responding to any alerts.
I never censor posts. If any are rarely subsequently deleted I usually, not always as I can forget, announce why, ‘Spam’ or some such.
Why has my message of links not appeared, thrice?
Undemocratic censorship, perhaps?
An appalling charge.You can see the form they took and why safeguards were automatically applied by the software.
They were stuck in ‘Pending’.
You should have just posted once and then used the ‘Contact Forum admin’ menu to alert me to its nonappearance.
I have put the other two into the bin as they seem the same as the one I approved.
Even if the majority of members were total speciesists who view all nonhumans as capitalist society views workers (commodities),
That is not the case. Animals are a food source. Only in capitalism are they commodities.
then it wouldn’t matter, because socialism won’t be made by them but by the workers en masse. With the coming of socialism the party will dissolve and cease to exist. The SPGB isn’t even likely to be the tool the masses use; others will have sprung up once the mass will is there, and have a momentary existence. I say this because the SPGB has always been a minor curiosity, unknown to most, and is likely to remain so.
This minor curiosity has kept the original idea of socialism, as an advanced, post capitalist, production for use, free access society, alive in the face of insuperable odds.
Socialist society, which I doubt will even use the name, will bemusedly hear of us having existed, and bemusedly respect us for having been.
The fact remains that we need socialism for the sake of nonhumans as well as humans.
There will be undoubtable benefits to the planet in general.
Meat-eating will continue to steadily decline under capitalism,
Yes, so what is the problem then?
together with outdated attitudes generally, outdated attitudes which still exist among socialists as in the general population, but which are going to disappear.
We are naturally omnivorous.
Among these attitudes is militant meat-eating,
This is not militancy being naturally omnivorous is a fact.
militant human supremacism
This is an exagerated and uninformed criticism as only we humans can make any changes necessary for a production for use, free access society to come into fruition.
and productivism.
What on earth?
So even if the majority of party members are still clinging to some outmoded ways of thinking (old mechanist materialism and human supremacist progressivism),
This is an insulting slur, we are historical materialist, who see all previous written history a a series of class struggles and recognise the worlds working class as the agents of their own self-emancipation.
It is not supremist progressivism, when we do not lay down blueprints as to what they may or may not eat before during and after the fact, of their self emancipation..
it only matters to the extent that their attitudes turn people off from the idea of socialism. But they shouldn’t, when we explain that socialism is no one in control, no party rule, but society as a whole.
The fact of us being broadly consisting of a representative sample of people outside the party with different lifestyle approaches, will not hinder or aid the process. It takes all sorts of people.
The important factor is that they have become a class for themselves as well as in themselves. They will make the decisions before during and after the fact of the revolution.
Understanding this, out-of-daters in the party are irrelevant to socialism.
Arrogant, judgemental, moralism.
