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Alongside the rise in gold prices,here in Britain, the government is spending £14 billion a month to pay furloughed workers’ wages. That’s on top of £15 billion in grants for small firms and £10 billion in support for the self employed.
In America, some 88 million cheques have been mailed in the post as part of a $160 billion “free money” package.
The ECB has just pledged $1.5 trillion in monetary stimulus.
China plans to spend $500 billion…
Even India has committed $265 billion.
Where is any of this money going to come from?
Well, thanks to the policies implemented after the financial crisis, the world is already awash in debt. Global debt hit $255 trillion last year. That’s UP by 40% since the global financial crisis.
Are we likely to see the begining of devaluations of currencies and the emergence of the rampant inflation of the 70s?
It is incorrect on a number of counts.
‘The resources are owned by the government ‘
Not so, common ownership is not government or state ownership. A commonly owned society will not need any government over the populace.
The people themselves will own and manage resources locally, regionally, globally.
‘Price is controlled by the authorities’
Not so. There will be no priced access to the commonly owned resources but free self determined acccess.
Supposed to ensure equality in society but difficult to provide a thriving society
Mere assertion. It will be a socially equal society in relation to decision making, to production, to direction and with self determined equal access then unequal need can be met.
No competition leading to laxity in the will to progress
More mere assertion and variation on the religious human nature arguments which have been thoroughly debunked by socialists.
Equal distribution of wealth
It is equal access to wealth and not equal distribution.
The authorities are lax in providing the resources; few incentives for growth
Proceeding from the same nonsense about authoritive government control.Growth in capitalism is to satisfy profits and not human needs leading to unnecesary duplications of products during profit accumlative growth period and dumping , destruction and wasteful activity, unemployment and increased poverty during the inevitable slumps which follow.
With an advanced, production for use, free access society, human needs will be satisfied and we will move towards a steady state situation.
This is the power of vested interests in the agricultural lobby in the USA.
https://theintercept.com/2020/06/10/iowa-animal-rights-crime-ag-gag-law/
In view of this it seems odd that we have not made more of the fact that no country in the world has ever claimed to have established communism.
A good point Lew. I’ll keep this in mind and add onto my stock of answers.
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Communism/socialism has never existed as it’s an advanced commonly owned, post-capitalist, production for use, free access society, run by us all without governments OVER the people. Your examples are examples of post feudal developments of capitalism. worldsocialism.org/wsm/a-homepage
It is nonsense and damned offensive to say that any of us trivialise animal suffering.
It has been par for the course in all of these postings of MA to level judgemental verdicts upon comrades, saying we can not have known animal companions etc, I personally have five such buried in my garden.
They were not just pets.
I also find these horror stories being posted up here extremely distressing, as I am sure plenty of others will too.
The book’s concerns, and your obsession, with elitist exclusivism, is a product of class society, which will not apply in the advanced, commonly owned , production for use, free access society, which is run by us all locally, regionally, globally using democratic methods and delegation with instant recall as determined and required at the time.
There will be no ‘elites’ having ‘power’ put into their hands.
We will require specialisms. But considerations about decisions about which applications of those will prevail, will reside within an informed society.
Whereas i tend towards the interpretation that he was a eschatologist, preaching the approaching apocalyptic doomsday that “the end of the world is nigh…”
Sort of like myself in many ways 😉
Jesus Johnston?
Nah! He if he were around today he would be “a drugstore truck driving man, the head of the Ku Klux Klan”.
https://lyricstranslate.com/en/joan-baez-drug-store-truck-driving-man-lyrics.htm
Some of these, still too few, are good. The better ones are still too expensive for me. But I tried a sausage recently, made by a local real sausage company based in Broxburn, which was indistinguishable from its regular ones. I’ll check out its Lorne sausage and black pudding. Most of them (Quorn, McCartneys) are rubbish.
On a ‘meat free’ day I invariably feel hungry and dissatisfied later on and have to open a tin of sardines or mackerel or steal some of the cat food my partner has bought in for a vicious feline visitor. (Beef or ham slices no less Jeez, ridiculous.)
Well, I’ve asked you, and any other SPGB member, to say who, within your notion of democratic socialism, will determine ‘truth’.
A daft question. Truth is relative. Scientific truth likely to be so. with no right or wrong ‘truth’ answers. The choice of which particular answer to various scientific enquiry, will be most likely varied land a range of options will most likely be available, to be decided upon at any time, by whichever criteria people at the time deem appropriate.
LBird is still being absurd, when he indicates specialists will be constitued as ‘elites’ in an advanced, commonly owned , democratic, production for use free access society. They will be no more so, than plumbers, infotech coders, or anyone else whose expertise is drawn upon.
I really don’t care how the capitalist class, or religious apologists for restraint, which is actually supporting of the status quo, see it.
I do not have to prove anything other, than to point to the fact of them being followers and believers, as opposed to thinkers.
When the religious or political left cease to be ‘followers’ or ‘believers’, then they will not be so susceptible to that ‘brainwashing’ and the en masse actions and attrocities you wish to dissociate them from, but which htey are complicit in, will not be able to occur.
