Ozymandias
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I think this forum is proving to be excellent. As I have said before I think the Yahoo groups forums should be discontinued and that all companion party forums should be incorporated into this one global site…much like the Zeitgeist website was like (before their imperious leader decided to completely scrap the forums wtih absolutely no recourse to Zeitgeist “members”).
I had a run in with this arsehole when I was 18. I think he was running on the labour bandwagon in the 88′ General election and he set up his campaign office in a shop in Byres Rd in Glasgow. I had joined the party a year before (then left ten years later) and I brazenly walked into the shop to ask him what his “policies” were and he seemed charmed so set about giving me some leaflets. All well and good until I challenged him and asked him to define Socialism which obviously was something he was unable to do. He furiously ran me out of the shop. Same thing happened a few years later with that other great Socialist Sheridan. I was sitting on a bus in Rhodes going back to the Airport and he was sitting behind me with his pretentious wife. I asked him the same kind of questions and he didn’t like it. These pricks are part of the reason why we are still in the shit. They do nothing but derail and bamboozle workers for their own vainglory. Arseholes!
I remember years ago some party member told me that Lennon got a hold of a copy of the 1969 edition of Questions of the Day which gave him the basis for the lyric. Is this just hearsay or is there any credence to this rumour. Was it even a rumour?
“Better still if Capitalism and other Kids Stuff (or another party video) had 16 million views”. Yup. If only!
Watched this video and it doesn’t fill me me with hope at all…just depression. I went over to Blythswood Sq in Glasgow in November to talk with the “occupiers” there. Ok they were enthusiastic but didn’t have a single iota about how capitalism operates or what the solution is. It really depressed me. Looks as if Occupy is in disarray now anyway whilst TZM is dwindling fast. Let’s face it folks we are all doomed. This species is on it’s way out…fast!
I was going to post this myself since I got the email from the MHI. I read the synopsis of the book with great interest although I get confused by a lot of the technical details sometimes. What is the Party’s position to what Kliman is saying? He rejects under-consumptionist ideas.
Right. I check this channel out all the time. I don’t know what to think of it. What do youse think? Cheers R
I think the WSM forum should be scrapped. I find it insular and outdated as a mode of communicative technology…it’s a 12 year old system and that’s a mighty long time in terms of the age and development of the Internet. If this new forum is turned into the GLOBAL forum for the entire movement (a la TZM site) that way everyone can come on here. Why divide things? Cheers Ray
This is one of the problems with this mode of communication…however vital it is to the dissemination and discussion of socialist propaganda. Can’t you guy’s down at Clapham High Street set up a WSM teamspeak account? That would be interesting!
Does it matter if some are christians? I mean will religion be a major impediment on the road to the establishment of socialism in the future? I don’t think so. I know that at 5pm every day there is an interfaith service at the New York site. I actually think this is a good thing. All you can do is humour these people because waiting around for the whole world to become athiest is crazy. I think in the long term it will be to the protestors advantage to include these idiots. To alienate them would be a mistake.
Also may I say something else? Most of the comments on here about this occupy issue are totally at odds with this month’s truly excellent article in the Standard. I mean what does that mean? Btw despite all my criticisms I still think the party is fuckin excellent and the Standard is about the finest piece of available literature in the history of the world…it’s just a shame that so many members attitudes are at variance with this… Fuck I have a real cheek saying this and i’m not even a member anymore! Forgive me but I can’t help it. I’m stuck…in between the WSM, TZM and now Occupy Wall Street. I see faults…and great things in all of them!
Btw I keep saying “us” “ours” and “we” as if I am still a member even though I left the party in 1998! I am still a Socialist and impervious to eveything else even though I’m no longer a member…
Look I apologise for being a pure asshole earlier. I am frustrated but somehow I am confident that the Occupy protestors are so clever and resourceful that they may possibly come to the same conclusions as us without even ever hearing of us. i mean let’s face it what is the likelihood of the party ever gaining a major foothold in the public consciousness? I wish to fuck it was happening for the party but it ain’t. (Yet?) I mean the way things are going down on this forum with this bickering (which could be a microcosm of the position of the party at large?) then what chance have we got of influencing anyone? The party is like rumpole of the bailey whilst the protestors are blasting away like buzz lightyear. Normally I could never even entertain the idea of how workers could come towards a truly post capitalist understanding without the SPGB…but now I don’t know so much. I mean is this possible? Normally I think “how the fuck will workers ever acheive anything beyond trades unions consciousness without the SPGB” but now I am beginning to think that through a process of logical elimination they may come very close…on their own anyway? Are they working things out for themselves…despite our existence? I mean is this possible? Is it even a possibility that the WSM will be swept away in the hurly burly…and that World Socialism/RBE/Post Capitalism/Whatever It’s Called will be established anyway? Am I talking pure shite here?
