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TheOldGreyWhistle, never knew the local branch was so big, you must have put some work in there. What the hell went wrong!!
TheOldGreyWhistle wrote:gnome wrote:Here's a little known fact. Currently almost 5% of the party's total membership resides in the North East and yet there has not, to the best of my knowledge, been any collective socialist activity in the area for years. I wonder why?Once, when I was listening to Bobby Gleghorn taking on all comers, at the pit head, I overheard a Labour party councillor saying to his friend, " he's right, but they have no power."
I guess that might sum up the feelings of a lot of thinking people. But I believe Socialist Punk is trying to address this problem on another discussion.
Ed wrote:Now I appreciate humor is incredibly difficult in conversation over the internet. So much of being able to tell when someone is joking or not is down to facial expression, tone of voice and body language. That's why in this medium I always find it better to answer a straight question with a straight answer. Otherwise you end up with a breakdown in communication and misunderstanding like the one we have now.Hi Ed, I thought you frowned on joking , on a serious political forum, such as this. Ok, cheap shot, I just couldn't resist it………. no need to explain, it's just light banter.
TheOldGreyWhistle wrote:Hi Northern Light,did you ever apply for membership of the North East Branch?Hello TheOldGreyWhistle,No, I never did. Bob never suggested that I try. He kept bringing his little green monkey, on his shoullder, (the monkey that was not there). We argued and debated, agreed and disagreed, laughed and sighed. I just assumed that I could not join.I got the impression that if Bobby thought the time was right, he would have told me. I'll tell you what, TheOldGreyWhistle, if Bobby could see me now, talking on this forum, there would be a tear in his eye, just as there is in mine.
Hi TheOldGreyWhistle, Reminds me of the night in 84, when I was standing outside Vane House, at Dawdon pit, and scores ofyoung lads came down the road, and across the fields. The night shift was coming out, and these "pickets" were hell bent ongetting the men out on strike (democratically, of course). They smashed up a car, and threw a few stones, and made a lot of noiselike in that video you posted. No fireworks though, but it worked
ALB wrote:This is all part of the Great Misunderstanding on this thread of which you've been a victim like the rest of us. I had assumed northern light to have said that he held the same views on religion as Einstein and, as to me at least, Einstein's views (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Albert_Einstein) on this seemed to be acceptable, invited northern light to apply. It now seems that he doesn't hold the same views as Einstein as, unlike Einstein, he believes in a personal "Creator".Hi ALB, Yes you have invited me to apply to join the party, and at one stage, I was on the verge, till I read what you said in thread 137. It quite knocked my end in. I am not used to this play on words
Hi Ed, I just want to put a different slant on the teapot reasoning.As mankind has never been in this region of our solar-system, the tea pot can not be of man's making, but because the teapot is a manufactured, and not a natural object it must belong to the Creator. Silly isn't it.
Ed, I have just been outside, and I swear I saw a cow jumping over the moon. I have just run a full security scan on my computer, and the SPGB site is still crashing.
Hi Gnome, My mate Bob used to come into my house, swearing blind, he had a little green monkey on his shoulder, which, of course, I could not see. I kind of liked Bob's arguement. Of course, I could argue that you can not be an atheist, for to be an atheist, one must have proof of the non-existence of a Creator, and so we go on and on, with claim, and counter-claim. But I have never refered to anywhere to a supreme being. I will remind you again what I said ( if you want the whole lot, it is on thread 13) " I believe the Creator is the sum total of all the Universe, the Sun, you, me, your mother-in-law, everything that came from the singularity that caused the Big Bang. That is my belief in a nut-shell. I am probably wrong, but at this time in my life, the jigsaw pieces fit. " And for believing this, party rules prevent me from being a member !!
Hi ALB, Thanks for the input, even though I almost fell of my chair, through laughing at what someone "reputedly" said, some 200years ago. Hardly the scientific evidence I am looking for. ALB, I have come to expect much more from you. The truth of the matter is there is no scientific proof, to either prove, or disprove this question, and both sides of the debate have to rely on theoretical reasoning. I like to look to the reasoning of modern physicists, rather than going back in time for answers. Science is progressive, is it not ?I find the macro, and micro aspects of the universe fascinating, and what is more fascinating is that me, an ordinary working classbloke, who spent his working life in a coal mine, can understand even a little tiny bit of it all. I guess even Karl Marx may have had to think long and hard about a Creator ( not god ) [ did Marx ever mention a Creator ?] if hecould have spoken to Einstein. This is the first time I have taken part in any debate, and I have enjoyed it. You have all taught me a little something, which is whyI am here. I have not been offended by anyone, and I hope I have not caused any offence……… thankyou all.
I apologize for posting the previous article twice. My computer is downloading very very slow, and sometimes I am losing the SPGB web-site.Are we being bugged ?
Hi Tom Rogers, Thankyou for your input on this topic. You did not address the question I asked, but that's ok. It is perhaps understandable, you not reading through the full debate, but if you care to go to the begining and read threads 1 and13, you will see that at no point do I ascribe to a belief in any God. The SPGB has been my party of choice for over 30 years, Tom, and I see myself as a socialist, and it grieves me to see the party in decline, at a time when the need for socialism is so pressing. I live in Seaham, an ex-mining town in the N.E. of England, and 31 years ago, there were at least 6 (possibly more) SPGB members living in Seaham, today (to my knowledge) Seaham boasts 2 SPGB members.Because of my belief, party rules deny me entry, yet if I were a capitalist, I might qualify, as long as I was an atheist. Tom, you say you are an ex-member. Would you consider applying to re-join ?
Hi DJP,I have already explained what I mean on an earlier thread, but I appreciate your reply, though not the scientific explanation I was seeking.
gnome wrote:Recently rediscovered this exquisite statement by Marx. Pretty much draws a line under the discussion on this thread.Hi Gnome, let me try and draw a line under this thread. Can any member give me the scientific proof of why there can not be a CreatorNo theoretical reasoning, just pure scientific fact..I have already told you what I believe in, and I have stated that I am probibly wrong ( I usually am), so come on, put me out of my misery !!
