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Vin wrote:Mod you are only giving your friend a warning to justify giving me one. It is so obvious. Any other forum moderator would have removed this abusive Troll a long time ago.You have allowed this troll to abuse members without taking action untill I respond to defend myselfffs stop embarrassing the partyYou are treating me with less respect than a fucking stalking troll. Resign
It may have escaped your notice but your repeated calls for my resignation, along with your repeated appeals for deferential treatment, falls on deaf ears. When any user breaches the rules or guidelines they can expect me to take action and the action I take depends on the situation and what is acceptable and appropriate to the circumstances. In this instance you breached rule 6. once to often. Take heed by keeping away from the fray.I'll deal with troll's and spammers under the rules and guidelines as and when they are breached. You would like me to ignore the guidelines and rules when a particular user is not to your taste. As a mod I have to follow my remit whereas you have no remit to follow on this forum.
Tue, 26/09/2017 – 2:26pm#461MBellemare2nd warning: 1. The general topic of each forum is given by the posted forum description. Do not start a thread in a forum unless it matches the given topic, and do not derail existing threads with off-topic posts. Queries or appeals relating to particular moderation decisions should be sent directly to the moderators by private message. Forum members are free to discuss moderator’s decisions on a separate thread set up for that purpose but should not discuss moderator’s decisions on the main forum. You must continue to abide by the moderators’ decisions pending the outcome of your appeal.
Tue, 26/09/2017 – 1:39pm#252Vin 1st Warning: 7. You are free to express your views candidly and forcefully provided you remain civil. Do not use the forums to send abuse, threats, personal insults or attacks, or purposely inflammatory remarks (trolling). Do not respond to such messages. Queries or appeals relating to particular moderation decisions should be sent directly to the moderators by private message. Forum members are free to discuss moderator’s decisions on a separate thread set up for that purpose but should not discuss moderator’s decisions on the main forum. You must continue to abide by the moderators’ decisions pending the outcome of your appeal. Top
Tue, 26/09/2017 – 1:18pm#251 Bob Andrews2nd warninng: 7. You are free to express your views candidly and forcefully provided you remain civil. Do not use the forums to send abuse, threats, personal insults or attacks, or purposely inflammatory remarks (trolling). Do not respond to such messages. Queries or appeals relating to particular moderation decisions should be sent directly to the moderators by private message. Forum members are free to discuss moderator’s decisions on a separate thread set up for that purpose but should not discuss moderator’s decisions on the main forum. You must continue to abide by the moderators’ decisions pending the outcome of your appeal.
Tue, 26/09/2017 – 10:15am#452LBird Immediate indefinite suspension: 6. Do not make repeated postings of the same or similar messages to the same thread, or to multiple threads or forums (‘cross-posting’). Do not make multiple postings within a thread that could be consolidated into a single post (‘serial posting’). Do not post an excessive number of threads, posts, or private messages within a limited period of time (‘flooding’). 7. You are free to express your views candidly and forcefully provided you remain civil. Do not use the forums to send abuse, threats, personal insults or attacks, or purposely inflammatory remarks (trolling). Do not respond to such messages.
Mon, 25/09/2017 – 4:08pm#432 LBird 3rd and final warning: 6. Do not make repeated postings of the same or similar messages to the same thread, or to multiple threads or forums (‘cross-posting’). Do not make multiple postings within a thread that could be consolidated into a single post (‘serial posting’). Do not post an excessive number of threads, posts, or private messages within a limited period of time (‘flooding’).Queries or appeals relating to particular moderation decisions should be sent directly to the moderators by private message. Forum members are free to discuss moderator’s decisions on a separate thread set up for that purpose but should not discuss moderator’s decisions on the main forum. You must continue to abide by the moderators’ decisions pending the outcome of your appeal.If this user breaches the rules within the next 30 days I will issue an immediate indefinite suspension.
Mon, 25/09/2017 – 8:58pm#441MBellemare1st warninng:1. The general topic of each forum is given by the posted forum description. Do not start a thread in a forum unless it matches the given topic, and do not derail existing threads with off-topic posts.Queries or appeals relating to particular moderation decisions should be sent directly to the moderators by private message. Forum members are free to discuss moderator’s decisions on a separate thread set up for that purpose but should not discuss moderator’s decisions on the main forum. You must continue to abide by the moderators’ decisions pending the outcome of your appeal.
Mon, 25/09/2017 – 7:38pm#18 robbo2031st warning: 1. The general topic of each forum is given by the posted forum description. Do not start a thread in a forum unless it matches the given topic, and do not derail existing threads with off-topic posts.6. Do not make repeated postings of the same or similar messages to the same thread, or to multiple threads or forums (‘cross-posting’). Do not make multiple postings within a thread that could be consolidated into a single post (‘serial posting’). Do not post an excessive number of threads, posts, or private messages within a limited period of time (‘flooding’). Queries or appeals relating to particular moderation decisions should be sent directly to the moderators by private message. Forum members are free to discuss moderator’s decisions on a separate thread set up for that purpose but should not discuss moderator’s decisions on the main forum. You must continue to abide by the moderators’ decisions pending the outcome of your appeal.
Mon, 25/09/2017 – 4:09pm#15LBird2nd warning: 1. The general topic of each forum is given by the posted forum description. Do not start a thread in a forum unless it matches the given topic, and do not derail existing threads with off-topic posts.6. Do not make repeated postings of the same or similar messages to the same thread, or to multiple threads or forums (‘cross-posting’). Do not make multiple postings within a thread that could be consolidated into a single post (‘serial posting’). Do not post an excessive number of threads, posts, or private messages within a limited period of time (‘flooding’). Queries or appeals relating to particular moderation decisions should be sent directly to the moderators by private message. Forum members are free to discuss moderator’s decisions on a separate thread set up for that purpose but should not discuss moderator’s decisions on the main forum. You must continue to abide by the moderators’ decisions pending the outcome of your appeal.
Mon, 25/09/2017 – 2:54pm#424 twc1st warning: 6. Do not make repeated postings of the same or similar messages to the same thread, or to multiple threads or forums (‘cross-posting’). Do not make multiple postings within a thread that could be consolidated into a single post (‘serial posting’). Do not post an excessive number of threads, posts, or private messages within a limited period of time (‘flooding’). Queries or appeals relating to particular moderation decisions should be sent directly to the moderators by private message. Forum members are free to discuss moderator’s decisions on a separate thread set up for that purpose but should not discuss moderator’s decisions on the main forum. You must continue to abide by the moderators’ decisions pending the outcome of your appeal.
Mon, 25/09/2017 – 8:20am#421 LBird1st warning: 6. Do not make repeated postings of the same or similar messages to the same thread, or to multiple threads or forums (‘cross-posting’). Do not make multiple postings within a thread that could be consolidated into a single post (‘serial posting’). Do not post an excessive number of threads, posts, or private messages within a limited period of time (‘flooding’).Queries or appeals relating to particular moderation decisions should be sent directly to the moderators by private message. Forum members are free to discuss moderator’s decisions on a separate thread set up for that purpose but should not discuss moderator’s decisions on the main forum. You must continue to abide by the moderators’ decisions pending the outcome of your appeal.
moderator1 wrote:Mon, 25/09/2017 – 9:57am (new)#3Bob AndrewsOfflineJoined:18/11/2016Send PM Who's the babe with the red hair and shades? Bit different from the hairy, pungent feminists who at one time infested the Party.Topreport editdeletequotereply1st Warning: 1. The general topic of each forum is given by the posted forum description. Do not start a thread in a forum unless it matches the given topic, and do not derail existing threads with off-topic posts. 2. The forums proper are intended for public discussion. Personal messages between participants should be sent via private message or by e-mail. 4. Do not use the forum to send any material that you know or should know would expose the SPGB to criminal or civil liability. This includes but is not limited to material which constitutes libel, harassment, or violation of copyright. You may, of course, quote portions of third party publications for 'fair deal;ing' purpose such as criticism or review. 7. You are free to express your views candidly and forcefully provided you remain civil. Do not use the forums to send abuse, threats, personal insults or attacks, or purposely inflammatory remarks (trolling). Do not respond to such messages.Queries or appeals relating to particular moderation decisions should be sent directly to the moderators by private message. Do not post such messages to the forum. You must continue to abide by the moderators’ decisions pending the outcome of your appeal.
Steve-SanFrancisco-UserExperienceResearchSpecialist wrote:@robbo203 & @mbellemerrerobbo203 wrote:Consequently the whole argument about the "concentration and centralisation of capital" which is supposed to aid the development of the productive forces,according to Marxist theory is now completely obsolete and dead as a dodoCapitalism is now the real hindrance to production – NOT the lack of a sufficiently developed resource base. We have long had the material or technogical infrastructure to support a socialist society. The potential is there to meet the reasonable needs of every person on this planet but capitalism is preventing us from realising this potential. Capitalism is not directly concerned with meeting the needs of people but with with realisation of profit. For instance, most of the labour in the formal sector of a modern capitalist ecnomy is socially useless in that it produces nothing of real worth e.g. banks etc and only exists to keep capitalism ticking over on its own terms. All that wasted labour could be used to augment social production in socialism in environmentally sustainable waysCapitalism is grotesquely inefficient by that standard, since you ask; its consignment to the dustbin of history is long overdueIt's really not that complicated if you can get over your pre-conceptions about the medium of exchange being neutral. If you base money on an ounce of gold then in every sale or exchange gold gets concentrated and everything else gets distrubuted relative to how easily it converts into gold. If you base an exchange system (aka market) on trading of trees than every sale or exchange would result in a marginal concentration of trees but every sale or exchange would also then result in some increase to the distrubution of gold. If you want to distrubute capital resources fairly and evenly to the world then you need to base your medium of exchange on a non-capital unit of measure such as personal hope or personal time. So I think waht your descirbiing it true, but it results not from capitalism exactly. More preceisely concentration of wealth is a result of the medium of exchange. Every exchange of human value in a capitalist economy using capital dollars increases concentration of capital value. heres' an example of two exchange systems. One exhange system is based on a unit of capital value (the US dollar). Another exchange system is based on a unit of personal time (one hour of your time is worth how many dollars?). here's a fictional example to put some numbers on what I'm trying to explain.
The price tag says a book cost “2 hOEP.coin” (hOurs Equals Price dot coin), so that means 2 hours of your time equals the price you pay. If you think that’s a fair price, you click the buy button and enter your credit card info. If you’re a first time user, check the box to allow the IRS, bank, or other verifier to calculate and confirm an hour of your time is worth/cost $25/hr. Charges on your credit card read “2hrs@$25/hr” or "2 hOEP".
Jenny, a hair stylist earns $20/hr. and therefore it costs her $20 for one hOEP.coin.Teresa, a nail specialist earns $60/hr. and therefore it costs her $60 for one hOEP.coinJenny and Teresa Both agree to work for each other for an hour.
How many net dollars will Teresa have transferred to Jenny if they both agree to bill each other fairly for 1 hour each using hOEP.coin? Answer: the poorer person is now $40 richer than before. Inequality decreased by $80.How many net dollars will Jenny have transferred to Teresa if they both agree to bill each other fairly for 1 hour each using USA Dollars? Answer, The poorer person is now $40 poorer than before. Inequality increased by $80.
So robbo203, the point I'm making is that the exchange system and currency is not Neutral about whether money gets concentrated or distributed and exchange using a money system based on capital value favors concentration of capital value. in constrast an exchange system usinga base unit of an hour of your personal time instead of an ounce of gold has the opposite effect of decreasing captial wealth concentration and increasing concentration of personal time wealth.this violates the pre-conceptions of capitalism and communism, but the math tests out correct. I have 21 page slideshow that explains this better and more clearly than is possible using only text in this discussion format, but I don't post the link here because it upsets the mods. If you ask me for the link I think the mods would permit me to answer you with the link.1st warning: 6. Do not make repeated postings of the same or similar messages to the same thread, or to multiple threads or forums (‘cross-posting’). Do not make multiple postings within a thread that could be consolidated into a single post (‘serial posting’). Do not post an excessive number of threads, posts, or private messages within a limited period of time (‘flooding’).
Reminder: 1. The general topic of each forum is given by the posted forum description. Do not start a thread in a forum unless it matches the given topic, and do not derail existing threads with off-topic posts. 2. The forums proper are intended for public discussion. Personal messages between participants should be sent via private message or by e-mail.
