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Vin wrote:No one is in need of moderation on this thread because no one is breaking the rules. It doesn't have a problem apart from inappropriate flagging of non abusive postsIf it is your intention to suspend me during a calm, rational discussion on 'No No Platform' , that is up to you. There are no rules for you to da that, but why would you wish to embarrass the party like that? As the OP states:ALB wrote:That "No Platform" is not the way to deal with people with obnoxious views such as Marine Le Pen. Rather than try to physically stop them from speaking, put them up on a platform and refute their views forcefully point by point. Trust people to be able to see through them. Censoring what you don't want people to hear is a patronising and elitist attitude towards people as if they are incapable of making up their own minds up or might be corrupted by what they hear (while you're not). And when “no platform” becomes the norm who's going to be next?
As far as I am aware the internet has not changed our position. Stop making such a big issue of free speech and go do some electioneering.
I agree the introduction of the internet has not changed our position on democracy. The democratic method however, requires a structure where opinions can be freely expressed and transparent decisions made, albeit under 'moderation'. By default this means rules have to be made, standards of conduct set and Standing Orders agreed upon which all participants agree to abide by. And as a participant I have to agree to these and also the Moderation Guidelines. In short as the moderator I have a remit to follow and by posting "Reminders" from time to time that is exactly what I am doing, by drawing the attention of users that in order to discuss the democratic method we all have to agree on the rules for discussion. A reminder is not a sanction nor meant to be treated as such but rather a means of informing all users what we have all agreed upon by signing up to this forum.If you disagree with the rules or have a complaint to make on my moderation please be my guest and take it up with the Internet Committee, or if you are a member of the SPGB with your Branch. This is a very important discussion where the advantages and disadvantages of the democratic method and the decision making process will be placed under the microscope by all participants. Obviously, this discussion will prompt comments on the understanding of democracy and the undemocratic behaviour of some users. And in this respect the language used and the method of expression needs to be thought out before we even put pen to paper.
Vin wrote:I think this proves my point that we have a problem. Unlike most contibuters to this thread my posts are not off-topic or offensive yet it is only me that receives the reminder of rule 1. Surely another rule should be used, if there is one? Rule 1 does certainly not apply to my post. Unless someone can explain to me otherwise?It proves nothing of the sort for you have not personally been issued a reminder. When I post a reminder its addressed to all users and not to any particular user. A Reminder draws attention to the issue that the rules are being breached and that a thread is under scrutiny and if the rules continue to be breached I will follow best practice and take action according to the moderators guidelines. If any user, including yourself, are in disagreement with the moderation of this forum you are advised to follow the democratic procedures of the party.
Reminder:1. The general topic of each forum is given by the posted forum description. Do not start a thread in a forum unless it matches the given topic, and do not derail existing threads with off-topic posts.11. Do not abuse the report function. Only highlight posts that genuinely require moderator attention.
Reminder: Forum rules and guidelines SPGB Web forums registration agreement (adopted by the EC 1st June 2013, amended 7th Dec 2013 and 6th July 2013) This agreement spells out the rules that participants in these forums are expected to abide by. These rules may be revised occasionally. The forum administrators will post a conspicuous notice of any changes on the forum, but it is the responsibility of participants to ensure they are familiar with the latest version. Forum aims and scopeThe SPGB web forums are operated by the Socialist Party of Great Britain (SPGB) and are intended to promote discussion of matters related to the SPGB, the World Socialist Movement, and socialism in general. Everyone may read the forums, and posting access is available to all registered users who accept and abide by this agreement. Registration is free. Forum rulesYour use of the forums indicates your agreement to abide by these rules, to abide by the decisions of the moderators in interpreting and enforcing these rules.
Reminder: 15. Queries or appeals relating to particular moderation decisions should be sent directly to the moderators by private message. Do not post such messages to the forum. You must continue to abide by the moderators’ decisions pending the outcome of your appeal.
Reminder: 1. The general topic of each forum is given by the posted forum description. Do not start a thread in a forum unless it matches the given topic, and do not derail existing threads with off-topic posts.
Reminder: 2. The forums proper are intended for public discussion. Personal messages between participants should be sent via private message or by e-mail.
Vin wrote:Moderation should be less bias and discriminatory. For example, Why allow this open letter to the left but bin my open letter to Russell Brand?Its been explained to you in another thread why this open letter is allowed. Its also been explained to you in another thread why your posting of the open letter to Russell Brand was considered to be inappropriate for the forum.If by being less bias and discriminatory you mean I ignore that this post actually breaks Rule 6. Do not make repeated postings of the same or similar messages to the same thread, or to multiple threads or forums (‘cross-posting’). Do not make multiple postings within a thread that could be consolidated into a single post (‘serial posting’). Do not post an excessive number of threads, posts, or private messages within a limited period of time (‘flooding’). That's fine by me, but other posters may well suggest I'm being biased and non-discriminatory towards your postings! So from where I'm standing I'm in for a kicking whatever I do.
Reminder: 15. Queries or appeals relating to particular moderation decisions should be sent directly to the moderators by private message. Do not post such messages to the forum. You must continue to abide by the moderators’ decisions pending the outcome of your appeal.
Reminder: 8. Do not register or operate more than one account without first obtaining permission from the moderators. Do not share your password with others or allow anyone else to use your account.
Sure. The repeated postings by several users to define their ideological perspective, democratic communist description, or constant claims we are Leninists, or certain users are individualists, etc, etc. This is in breach of Rule 6., I don't mind letting two or three such posts getting through but when it becomes a habit and the discussion is clearly logged jammed with such postings it suggests to me that this thread requires constant scrutiny and the rules applied more firmly.
Reminder: 6. Do not make repeated postings of the same or similar messages to the same thread, or to multiple threads or forums (‘cross-posting’). Do not make multiple postings within a thread that could be consolidated into a single post (‘serial posting’). Do not post an excessive number of threads, posts, or private messages within a limited period of time (‘flooding’).
Reminder: 1. The general topic of each forum is given by the posted forum description. Do not start a thread in a forum unless it matches the given topic, and do not derail existing threads with off-topic posts.
