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lindanesocialist wrote:

This is the 5th time my character has been defamed on this site. I am operating a single account 

If you are referring to the Reminder issued #169 your post #168 clearly breached rule 8.  If there any further breeches of this rule I have no alternative other than to issue a 1st warning.

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Tim Kilgallon wrote:

thanks for the description.It may be my personal take, but I struggle to think of a more hideous and alienating way to spend an evening than being miked up to a system like that. I know it's probably the way forward but meeting up in a boozer for a bit of craic seems so much more human to me. 

Tim with the position NERB are in you can't have it both ways.  The branch have always struggled to organise a face-to-face meeting and even when you've held meetings on here although I've not participated I've attended and noticed they lack a joined up approach in getting through the business.In fact the last meeting for me was the most "hideous and alienating" of any party meeting I've attended.  We can do better by accepting NERB can do both by meeting on Teamspeak monthly or bi-monthly and also have a face-to-face say once or twice a year.  A meeting on Teamspeak when handled correctly will not take an "evening" to complete.  Indeed a couple of hours at the most to get through the agenda.The truth of the matter is this forum is not suitable for holding online meetings and that the experiment has failed. Thus NERB need to look for suitable alternatives and to me Teamspeak fits the bill.  You can only give it try and find out for yourselves whether or not it suits your needs.

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jondwhite wrote:

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Matt wrote:

The teamspeak link is below. I don't know if this is free.https://www.teamspeak.com/downloads

It's free as in "available at no cost", but not free as in "respecting personal freedoms".  You can download and use the software, but you shouldn't assume that it will always remain available, or that it isn't also doing something nefarious without your knowledge.

Is there a free user-friendly equivalent of TeamSpeak?

Doubt it, but like I've explained in a previous post you can't get much more user-friendly than Teamspeak.

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Tristan Miller wrote:

Matt wrote:

The teamspeak link is below. I don't know if this is free.https://www.teamspeak.com/downloads

It's free as in "available at no cost", but not free as in "respecting personal freedoms".  You can download and use the software, but you shouldn't assume that it will always remain available, or that it isn't also doing something nefarious without your knowledge.

Which can be applied to all our meetings, and includes this forum, if the state thought it necessary.  

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Matt wrote:

A couple of comrades could do what Edinburgh members sometimes do and experiment with different messaging platforms. We tried out Google Talk a couple of times. The drawback was  one, I think Tim has mentioned, getting us all available at one time. We also have a member overseas who is out of our timezone.The teamspeak link is below. I don't know if this is free.https://www.teamspeak.com/downloads

Thanks for that Matt and yes Teamspeak (TSM) is free to the public only cooperations pay a fee.  To elaborate on the features available on TSM, they include: Voice and chat; chair can bar an individual user; chat can take place directly to all users or between individual users; chair can create a queue; whilst an individual user has the floor the chair can bar all other users from disrupting; chair can open up all conversation to the floor; flagging on disruptive behaviour in the chat; agenda can be posted weeks before meeting and added as required; visitors can attend and listen to the contributions but require permission to speak from the chair; visitors can use the chat feature; chair can place a user in the sin bin; separate discussions can take place in a side room; a recording can be made of all conversations – voice and chat – and stored on google drive so that further conversations can take place if deemed necessary.All that is required is headphones and mic (cost approx £12.00 from Asda).What more do anybody want to hold an online meeting?  Why the party is not using TSM more often beats me.

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I disagree that the word meeting is a red herring, meetings are about more than achieveing group decisions, its about the process of discussion and the development of understandings whicih then inform the decisions. I think part of the difficulty is that communication and therefore the transfer of meaning and understanding is different in the written form that it is in the direct personal form. In the written form there are many nuances, meanings and intentions that are missed out on. I would say that online meetings do need to be available and we need to develop a better way of holding them, however face to face meetings are far more effective, less time consuing and achieve better consensus than using any type of written form.As hinted at in the thread, part of the difficulty also arises from the order in which contributions are made. in a personal meeting the chair can invite speakers and note requests to speak so that the contributions develop logically. In pn line meetings there is no such structure, terefore conversations may move out of synchronisation and what tends to happen is that longer more in depth contributions, that may take time to compose, are often superceded by shorter more pithy comments, which may be more prolific but are often less useful

All of these concerns raised are catered for on the Teamspeak platform which has been used to good effect by TZM.  It seems that everybody wants to complain but are so unwilling to look at alternatives which are readily available at no cost.Teamspeak, Teamspeak, Teamspeak.  How many more times???? 

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gnome wrote:

ALB wrote:

They've got an interesting Statement of Aims and Principles.

Apart from the first part of clause eight there is very little to quibble about.

To be found here:  http://www.socialistproject.org/statement-of-aims-and-principles/

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Young Master Smeet wrote:

Hmm, I can't see a 'close account' option, but couldn' you:1) Put in a dummy email address e.g. made.up@made.up.com2) Tap some random letters into a text editor.3) Copy and paste them into the password field and confirmation4) Save the changes, and delete the random passowordThat way you'd not have password access, and you'd be unable to receive a retrieval email.If you really want to do that.

Bill you can be so confusing and hard work on times!  There is no 'closed account' option.  You go into Edit scroll down and click on the Blocked box.  Done.

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lindanesocialist wrote:

I have tried to close downthe account but there is no option unless you have admin rights

You don't need admin rights to close down your own account.  Please follow the instructions sent to you.

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Has I've explained in a PM the moderator can only close down an account when a user is being suspended.  If you wish to leave the forum you have to close down the account yourself.  I've also explained how to close your account.  But you are insistent that I carry out that action.

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lindanesocialist wrote:

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lindanesocialist wrote:

Are we talking about your learning curve or mine?Reason for query: To resolve the issue of twitter account. If as I suspect, it is the IC that has the power  to allow twitter outlets etc to speak on behalf of the world socialist movement then why didn't it simply allow NERB or Vin to do it. Would have save a lot of griefWe are not exactly bursting with volunteersRelationship  to Vin's suspension? I have tried to post the 'reason' for vin's last suspension but you removed it.

Neither, I was referring to our learning curve, which by default includes all those party members who are willing to learn from this episode.The IC does not have the power to allow twitter accounts to speak on behalf of the World Socialist Movement.  Only the EC can do that.  The IC manage these media accounts under its ToR.

Thanks cde

Just trying to be helpful. Is it safe to assume that if you have any further queries this is as an indication that you wish to join and abide by the learning curve as outlined in #41?  Before you reach a decision I would strongly advise you to contact cde's Colborn and Wears  (both have had experience of working on scrutiny panels) on the benefits of scrutiny, albeit by those parties who are actively involved in the present grievance procedure.On that note if you do decide to join the learning curve such scrutiny by its very nature will not be independent.   For obviously some participants may have an axe to grind – but what the heck so be it.  And also there may well be some other members who wish to join in the experience of self-awareness?

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lindanesocialist wrote:

Are we talking about your learning curve or mine?Reason for query: To resolve the issue of twitter account. If as I suspect, it is the IC that has the power  to allow twitter outlets etc to speak on behalf of the world socialist movement then why didn't it simply allow NERB or Vin to do it. Would have save a lot of griefWe are not exactly bursting with volunteersRelationship  to Vin's suspension? I have tried to post the 'reason' for vin's last suspension but you removed it.

Neither, I was referring to our learning curve, which by default includes all those party members who are willing to learn from this episode.The IC does not have the power to allow twitter accounts to speak on behalf of the World Socialist Movement.  Only the EC can do that.  The IC manage these media accounts under its ToR.

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