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gnome wrote:moderator1 wrote:gnome wrote:Brian wrote:It was decided that seeing we're on a roll that we try an experiment next Saturday 9th June between 1pm and 3pm – weather permitting.
Where's the location of the stall in Cardiff?
Capital Shopping CentreQueen Street.
http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/event/street-stall-cardiff-1pm
A little further down the street by Boot's.
gnome wrote:Brian wrote:It was decided that seeing we're on a roll that we try an experiment next Saturday 9th June between 1pm and 3pm – weather permitting.Where's the location of the stall in Cardiff?
Capital Shopping CentreQueen Street.
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Prakash RP wrote:' This authoritarian troll never seems to answer the criticisms made of his model of compulsory labour such as how do you ensure that those who monitoe enforce this whole elaborate and costly system of compulsion will not themselves abuse the system and emerge as a new ruling class. ' ( #386 by robbo203 ) ' This authoritarian troll ' wishes you'd soon awake to your silliness of failing to differentiate between what you want to achieve and how you can achieve it. Whether we must fight and win the war against terror or AIDS is a question that happens to be outright different from how we must fight and win this war, isn't it ? ' This authoritarian troll ' would also like you to awake to the silliness of the idea of giving up a fight or an attempt just because it's difficult to win the fight or achieve success in the attempt. Giving up the war against the terror or the AIDS won't rid humanity of the terror or the AIDS menace, will it ? What communism truly means, whether it's practicable, and which way is meant to lead us to our goal are each different from the other, each of them having a different answer from the other one. The fact of the matter is if humanity wants to lead a healthy and meaningful life, it must rid itself of evils like the exploitation of man by man, the ignominious sight of the plethora of wealth alongside of the poverty and privation of millions, the exitence of overworking millions alongside of millions of the jobless, the fact that while the lawful roads to riches are too few, there exists an abundance of the allure of easy money through illicit means and practices, the greatest and gravest social injustice ( the fact that the fact that the poor and penniless millions were all born poor is not attributable to any faults or failings of theirs while the fact that the rich and the super-rich few were all born rich and super-rich to exploit the born poor and thus grow richer and richer is not attributable to any noble or creditable acts or achievements of theirs ), et cetera, et cetera, and so it must do away with capitalism and switch over to communism, and if we must switch over to communism, we have to find the sure way to do it. By the theory of communism, the classless social order is practicable, and the communist formulas to achieve it are shortening the working-day first to make it equal to the socially necessary labour-time, making the sharing of the total social workload equal and compulsory for everyone of the social workforce, and making the share of everyone ( excluding minors, the disabled, and the aged ) in the social wealth equal. there's no good reason to view these formulas as impracticable or too difficult for communists that are no less intelligent than, nor are they inferior, in terms of calibre, to, capitalists. If capitalists can extract the greatest possible amount of surplus-labour ( unpaid labour that generates the capitalist's profit ) from wage slaves, there's no reason why communists should fail to effect a social working-day consisting of the socially-necessary labour-time alone and thus rid humanity of the ignominious evils like overworking, joblessness, surplus labour, et cetera. I won't say the fear that the principle of the compulsory equal-sharing of the social workload by everyone of the social workforce may be abused by the crafty and crooked to create ' a new ruling class ' is unfounded. Nevertheless, this fear does not prove that this principle or the social order based on this principle is in itself faulty, nor does it prove that the principle forming the basis for the ' higher phase ' , as Marx put it, of communism is OK. Another most important point not to be missed is, as I've shown already, the fact that the principle of ' From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs ' that approves of the unequal sharing of the social workload for an unequal share in the social wealth is certain to lead to overwork, which means the exploitation of the overworking lot by the rest, hence the death of socialism. Further, one of the main arguments for this lofty principle is the ' higher phase ' of communism will produce only the good, the dutiful, and the work-loving ( it's outright a bourgeois view, as you all, the proponents of this principle hold, that the working population consist of only the workshy and the crafty and crooked ), which means there'll be none needing to be compelled to perform work. None needing to be compelled means no compulsion, and the fact that there're none that are really bad people means there're none to abuse power in the ' higher phase ' of communism. And no abuse of power means the concern over the emergence of ' a new ruling class ' is baseless, OK ? ' … he has no idea of what metric he proposes to use to ensure that everyone does exactly the same amount of work. Is it equal hours or equal intensity of work or what? ' ( ibid ) The problem with the silly and the benighted is they love to believe what they don't know or understand must be unknowable and unintelligible to all else. Nevertheless, there's no reason why the sensible and enlightened ought to fail to find the right ' metric ' ( such as the labour productivity ) to differentiate between an apprentice and a worker. And communism needs workers to work equal hours. ' The more the productiveness of labour increases, the more can the working-day be shortened ; and the more the working-day is shortened, the more can the intensity of labour increase. ' ( CAPITAL volume I by Marx ; see part V, chapter XVII, section IV, and subsection 2 ) The above quote from Marx's CAPITAL, volume I, enlightens us about the ' productiveness of labour ', the length of the ' working-day ', the ' intensity of labour ', and their interrelations. ' He thinks compulsory labour is not coerced labour becuase it is "duly awarded" -(the same argument could be used to justify wage labour) … ' ( #386 ; robbo203 ) No, the same argument cannot be used to justify wage labour because the wage slaves have to perform a certain amount of labour, the surplus labour, for which they're paid nothing. ' He has little to no understanding of Marxist terminology and terms such as "necessary labour" – that portion of the labour performed by the worker under capitalism for which she receives a wage to produce and reproduce her labour power – and seems to think that necessary labour, and therefore the sale of labour power for a wage, will continue in a communist society. ' ( ibid ) The above citation is one more evidence of your silliness and intellectual immaturity. Would like to know what led you to take such a silly view of me. ' In fact he seems to think that necessary labour can be prised apart and separated out from surplus labour as different segments of labour time … ' ( ibid ) The above citation is another evidence of your pitiable intellectual immaturity. I don't think I ever said anything that should justifiably lead you to form such an opinion. Nevertheless, the subject appears too tough to be understood by the silly. By my view, what communists need is a clear concept of the two sorts of labour. They don't need to prise them apart. They need a clear concept of them in order to shorten the working-day to make it equal the ' necessary labour-time ' under the communist mode of production. There's no good reason why communists with a clear concept of the two sorts of labour oughtn't to be able to perform this task. Once again I'd like to ask the silly that aren't averse to enlightenment to pay due heed to the following observation by Marx. ' Only by suppressing the capitalist form of production could the length of the working day be reduced to the necessary labour-time. ' ( CAPITAL volume I by Marx ; see part V, chapter XVII, section IV, and subsection 2 ) Hope the point is now clear enough to be understood by all bar the incorrigible few fools. ' That is precisely the view that Marx attacked which was expressed by those who feared that shortenening of working week would reduce the amount time available for the production of surplus value under capitalism ' ( ( #386 ; robbo203 ) It's not at all clear what point you want to make by this remark. Do you mean that Marx was against the very idea of the shorter working-day under capitalism or communism or both ? ' Above all what we have not had from this individual is a single sensible coherent argument raised against the principle "from each according to abilty to each according to need" – only a boring and inane repetition of the same old mantra that it is "silly" or "immature" ( ibid ) If my comments in response to yours don't really contain ' a single sensible coherent argument ' against the principle at issue, it's certainly a limitation they oughtn't to have. But don't they really contain incontestable arguments to awaken you to the irreconcilable contradiction existing between the communist idea of classless order and the view of communism based on the principle of ' From each according to his abilty, to each according to his needs ' ? What follows is a passage excerpted from my comment #368 made in response to your comment #338. ' The point missed is the classless society canNOT approve of anything like wealth disparity or the exploitation of man by man. If some people are allowed to shun work, the amount of wealth they'll share and enjoy will have to be the product of other people's work, and thus it'll add up to the exploitation of all those that work by the workshy. Thus, the classless order will no longer remain classless. Further, under the communist mode of production, the length of the working-day happens to be equal to its " minimum length "* determined by dividing the total amount of socially necessary labour-time per day by the number of working hands. Evidently, the total workload remaining unchanged, the smaller the workforce becomes, the longer the working-day grows. Thus, if the workshy do not have to perform any work but are allowed to equally share the social wealth, the rest of the workforce will have to overwork to produce the same required-amount of wealth and thus have to be exploited by the workshy. The communist mode of production canNOT allow things like longer working-day, overwork, etc. Therefore, if the workshy are allowed freedom to evade doing work, and if the work-loving and workaholics are not allowed to overwork, it'll lead to an inevitable shortfall in the total amount of social wealth, which will mean society's inability to meet everyone's need. The situation, if left unchecked, is certain to lead to theft, corruption, and, finally, the death of the ' higher phase ' of the communist order. The " technological ability to produce plenty " can't be an answer to the problem. Machines are made and run by humans, and machines in operation need be attended by humans too. With technological progress leading to higher labour-productivity, the " minimum length " of the working-day and with it, the per-capita share of the social workload must come down, total social workload remaining the same, and supposing all of the social workforce will equally share the social workload. Now, if the workshy can shun work, it'll lead to the same problems : longer working-day, overwork, the exploitation of the overworking lot by the workshy and the crafty and crooked, no overwork leading to a massive shortfall in total social wealth, etc, etc, and, finally, the death of the Utopian communism along with its basis, the lofty principle of " From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs! ". ' The above excerpt contains my main points, incontestable till now, against the principle at issue. They may not form ' a single sensible coherent argument ' you want, but they still remains incontestable and throw light on the irreconcilable contradiction between the idea of communistic classless order premised on Marx's theory of communism and Marx's view of the ' higher phase ' of communism.3rd and final warning:15. Queries or appeals relating to particular moderation decisions should be sent directly to the moderators by private message. 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Prakash RP wrote:' Your so called ‘gratis labour’ as surplus labour in capitalism isn’t gratis of voluntary it is compelled and involuntary. ' ( #395 by Dave B ) It's not clear what's your point is. In my comment ( #394 ), I clearly stated that labour performed to create necessities and luxuries of life they need to lead a healthy and meaningful existence can't be viewed as ' labour performed gratis ' or ' voluntary labour '. It can't be ' gratis labour ' as it's not something like the surplus labour, also called, and justifiably so, the unpaid labour under the capitalist mode of production. It can't be ' voluntary labour ' either just because it's not ' gratis '. On these grounds, the paid necessary-labour in the capitalist mode of production is also non-voluntary. Voluntary labour has to be ' gratis ' first. Nevertheless, not every ' gratis ' labour is voluntary just as the fact that mangos are juicy fruits doesn't mean all juicy fruits are mangos. A glaring instance of ' gratis labour ' that is not voluntary is the unpaid labour under capitalism. Nevertheless, anyone is free to choose to steal or smuggle goods instead of working for a living as the wage slaves do. In this sense, you can claim the act of choosing to work as a wage slave does is voluntary, but the work performed for wages is not so. In the communist mode of production too, the social working-day consists of two parts : part-I is meant for contributions to common funds like the social insurance fund, fund for the care of minors, fund for the disabled and the aged, fund for scientific and technological researches, fund for progress and development, etc, etc and part-II for the necessities and luxuries the workers themselves need to lead a healthy and meaningful life ; both parts are compulsory for every able-bodied adult of working age. As I view it, the part-I, like the part-II, is compulsory from both the individual's viewpoint and the social viewpoint, and so it's not voluntary. Nevertheless, the part-I is not something like the unpaid surplus-labour a wage slave has to perform under capitalism just because it's meant for the common good of all including all those that have to work to contribute to these common funds while the wage slaves have to perform the compulsory unpaid labour not for the benefit of themselves or their beloved ones but for the benefit of a certain class, the capitalists, a class outright opposite the wage slaves. Hope you'd now fall in with my stance on ' gratis labour ', voluntary labour, etc. ' I had hoped that by drawing in material from Stalin, Lenin, the Mensheviks and Trotsky, amongst others, would demonstrate that that was not the orthodox interpretation of Marx … [ … we could draw in another extended passage from Karl on the impractical possibility of using a labour voucher system.] ' ( ibid ) My dear friend, large excerpts from works by some well-known people will certainly help display your erudition, but in a debate, it's arguments and counter-arguments that truly matter. None of the excerpts you've cited so far contain any arguments to show that Marx's concept of the ' higher phase ' of communism is not plain wrong and impracticable. ' [A]nother extended passage from Karl on the impractical possibility of using a labour voucher system ' is most unlikely to help prove your point. The impracticability of the ' labour voucher system ' doesn't prove the theory of communism or the concept the ' higher phase ' of communism practicable or impracticable. The fallaciousness of the view that the sun borrows its heat and light from the moon has got nothing to do with the fallaciousness or correctness of views like the assertion that the earth is a satellite of the moon or the observation that Venus is truly a black hole nearest to the earth. ' You talk about ‘bad’ people and the congenital or ‘naturally?’ work-shy. If you like to continue with that and expand on it a bit we could discuss that? ' ( ibid ) I think I've said more than enough about the design of Nature and about good people, bad people, the workshy, etc by nature. You may have a look at my comments #368, #373, #381, etc for my views on this issue. ' In the higher phase of communism the working class collectively will perhaps work longer than necessary to increase the means of production in order to reduce the working day in the future. ' ( ibid ) Citizens of the communist order are free to choose to work a longer time in the lower phase of communism too. Nevertheless, working a longer time this week to have one more day off the next week does not reduce the length of the social working-day. For a shorter working-day, you need achieve a breakthrough in science and technology which will lead to a growth in the labour productivity, which means a shorter working-day. Nevertheless, these points seem irrelevant to the main issue we're debating, namely, the practicability of Marx's view of the ' higher phase ' of communism. ' What you seem to be suggesting is a system that is useful to your queer bourgeois normal man, like yourself … ' ( ibid ) The above quote is another instance of your silly display of rudeness that reflects your pitiable intellectual immaturity. Such comments become people that are pathetically lacking in the calibre needed to comprehend the simple arithmetic logic that two and two makes four, people that are so benighted and silly as to be outright unaware that in a debate the silly display of erudition or rudeness is useless, silly waste of time. I wish it'd soon come home to you that a debate is a conflict between views and counter-views which leads us to the truth, and that one side in a debate must emerge triumphant. It's unbecoming of the sensible to take it amiss when they face up to stronger views than theirs. The sensible are always for the truth, and true communists are sensible people, RIGHT ?2nd warning: 6. 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Prakash RP wrote:' Your so called ‘gratis labour’ as surplus labour in capitalism isn’t gratis of voluntary it is compelled and involuntary. ' ( #395 by Dave B ) It's not clear what's your point is. In my comment ( #394 ), I clearly stated that labour performed to create necessities and luxuries of life they need to lead a healthy and meaningful existence can't be viewed as ' labour performed gratis ' or ' voluntary labour '. It can't be ' gratis labour ' as it's not something like the surplus labour, also called, and justifiably so, the unpaid labour under the capitalist mode of production. It can't be ' voluntary labour ' either just because it's not ' gratis '. On these grounds, the paid necessary-labour in the capitalist mode of production is also non-voluntary. Voluntary labour has to be ' gratis ' first. Nevertheless, not every ' gratis ' labour is voluntary just as the fact that mangos are juicy fruits doesn't mean all juicy fruits are mangos. A glaring instance of ' gratis labour ' that is not voluntary is the unpaid labour under capitalism. Nevertheless, anyone is free to choose to steal or smuggle goods instead of working for a living as the wage slaves do. In this sense, you can claim the act of choosing to work as a wage slave does is voluntary, but the work performed for wages is not so. In the communist mode of production too, the social working-day consists of two parts : part-I is meant for contributions to common funds like the social insurance fund, fund for the care of minors, fund for the disabled and the aged, fund for scientific and technological researches, fund for progress and development, etc, etc and part-II for the necessities and luxuries the workers themselves need to lead a healthy and meaningful life ; both parts are compulsory for every able-bodied adult of working age. As I view it, the part-I, like the part-II, is compulsory from both the individual's viewpoint and the social viewpoint, and so it's not voluntary. Nevertheless, the part-I is not something like the unpaid surplus-labour a wage slave has to perform under capitalism just because it's meant for the common good of all including all those that have to work to contribute to these common funds while the wage slaves have to perform the compulsory unpaid labour not for the benefit of themselves or their beloved ones but for the benefit of a certain class, the capitalists, a class outright opposite the wage slaves. Hope you'd now fall in with my stance on ' gratis labour ', voluntary labour, etc. ' I had hoped that by drawing in material from Stalin, Lenin, the Mensheviks and Trotsky, amongst others, would demonstrate that that was not the orthodox interpretation of Marx … [ … we could draw in another extended passage from Karl on the impractical possibility of using a labour voucher system.] ' ( ibid ) My dear friend, large excerpts from works by some well-known people will certainly help display your erudition, but in a debate, it's arguments and counter-arguments that truly matter. None of the excerpts you've cited so far contain any arguments to show that Marx's concept of the ' higher phase ' of communism is not plain wrong and impracticable. ' [A]nother extended passage from Karl on the impractical possibility of using a labour voucher system ' is most unlikely to help prove your point. The impracticability of the ' labour voucher system ' doesn't prove the theory of communism or the concept the ' higher phase ' of communism practicable or impracticable. The fallaciousness of the view that the sun borrows its heat and light from the moon has got nothing to do with the fallaciousness or correctness of views like the assertion that the earth is a satellite of the moon or the observation that Venus is truly a black hole nearest to the earth. ' You talk about ‘bad’ people and the congenital or ‘naturally?’ work-shy. If you like to continue with that and expand on it a bit we could discuss that? ' ( ibid ) I think I've said more than enough about the design of Nature and about good people, bad people, the workshy, etc by nature. You may have a look at my comments #368, #373, #381, etc for my views on this issue. ' In the higher phase of communism the working class collectively will perhaps work longer than necessary to increase the means of production in order to reduce the working day in the future. ' ( ibid ) Citizens of the communist order are free to choose to work a longer time in the lower phase of communism too. Nevertheless, working a longer time this week to have one more day off the next week does not reduce the length of the social working-day. For a shorter working-day, you need achieve a breakthrough in science and technology which will lead to a growth in the labour productivity, which means a shorter working-day. Nevertheless, these points seem irrelevant to the main issue we're debating, namely, the practicability of Marx's view of the ' higher phase ' of communism. ' What you seem to be suggesting is a system that is useful to your queer bourgeois normal man, like yourself … ' ( ibid ) The above quote is another instance of your silly display of rudeness that reflects your pitiable intellectual immaturity. Such comments become people that are pathetically lacking in the calibre needed to comprehend the simple arithmetic logic that two and two makes four, people that are so benighted and silly as to be outright unaware that in a debate the silly display of erudition or rudeness is useless, silly waste of time. I wish it'd soon come home to you that a debate is a conflict between views and counter-views which leads us to the truth, and that one side in a debate must emerge triumphant. It's unbecoming of the sensible to take it amiss when they face up to stronger views than theirs. The sensible are always for the truth, and true communists are sensible people, RIGHT ?james19 wrote:Thank you Admin….seeAdmin please repost your last post which I inadvertedly deleted when deleting the repeated posts by James19.
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Prakash RP wrote:1st Warning: 6. Do not make repeated postings of the same or similar messages to the same thread, or to multiple threads or forums (‘cross-posting’). Do not make multiple postings within a thread that could be consolidated into a single post (‘serial posting’). Do not post an excessive number of threads, posts, or private messages within a limited period of time (‘flooding’). Would like to add the following to my last comment ( # 389 ). ' Communist labour in the narrower and stricter sense of the term is labour performed gratis for the benefit of society, labour performed not as a definite duty, … but [ as ] voluntary labour … ' ( # 382 by Dave B )Citizens of the communist order, be it in its lower phase or in its ' higher phase ', must need necessities of life in order to stay alive and luxuries of life to lead a decent life, as this need is a must for everyone, and as it's them, and them alone, who must work to produce all necessities and luxuries of life meant to meet this common need of theirs, it's outright ludicrous to view their work meant to create all these things by themselves as ' labour performed gratis ' or ' voluntary labour ' on their part. Another most important point V.I. Lenin seems to have missed outright happens to be the fact that capitalism needs, for its survival, only a part ( i.e. surplus-labour ) of the total labour ( necessary labour + surplus labour ) of a labourer while communism in its higher phase will need, for its survival, the whole amount of the ' labour performed gratis ' or the ' voluntary labour ' performed by everyone of the social workforce, which means capitalism is far superior to communism, RIGHT ? ' … it is labour performed without expectation of reward … because it has become a habit to work for the common good and because of a conscious realisation ( … ) of the necessity of working for the common good— … ' ( ibid ) Lenin seems to be unaware that the workshy and the crafty and crooked are outright unlikely to consent to making a habit of working ' without expectation of reward ' or ' working [ just ] for the common good. ' Lenin also seems to have missed the point that not only does ' reward ' mean the filthy lucre or something in kind, it also means recognition, respect, and reputation that so many people in the capitalist world, such as environmentalists, human-rights activists, the ICAN and so many other pacifists, etc, etc, want, OK ?' ' It must be clear to everybody that we, i.e., our society, our social system, are still a very long way from the application of this form of labour on a broad, really mass scale. ' ( ibid ) I'd like to replace the expression ' a very long way ' with ' a million light years away ' in the above quote. Trotsky also seems, like Lenin, to have missed the same points. ' Speaking frankly, I think it would be pretty dull-witted to consider such a really modest perspective “utopian.” ' ( ibid ) But I think it's ' pretty dull-witted to consider such a really modest perspective “ [non-]utopian.” ' ' The material premise of communism should be so high … that productive labor, having ceased to be a burden, … ' ( ibid ) What if the ' productive labor ' never ceases to be viewed as ' a burden ' by the workshy and the crafty and crooked ? Trotsky seems to have failed to give thought to this point, doesn't he ? ' … and the distribution of life’s goods, existing in continual abundance, will not demand – as it does not now in any well-off family or “decent” boarding-house – any control except that of education, habit and social opinion. ' ( ibid ) Thus, it's clear as day that Trotsky accepts that the distribution of wealth ( ' life's goods ' ) needs social control through ' education, habit and social opinion ' , and if he was alive today and took part in this debate , I'm sure I would win him to my side. ' … under Socialism there will not exist the apparatus of compulsion itself, namely, the State: for … ' ( ibid ) The view of socialism as we find it in the COMMUNIST MANIFESTO and CAPITAL , based on the principle of the compulsory equal-sharing of the social workload by everyone of the social workforce for an equal share in social wealth obviously cannot do without forcing the bad citizens to comply with the socialist rules and regulations. Nevertheless, I'm not sure whether it makes dependence on something like the State indispensable for the socialist order. But I'm sure that the State won't disappear in order to prove that the utopian idea of communism ( i.e. the view of communism based on the silly principle of ' From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs ' ) is not utopian.Reminder: 6. Do not make repeated postings of the same or similar messages to the same thread, or to multiple threads or forums (‘cross-posting’). Do not make multiple postings within a thread that could be consolidated into a single post (‘serial posting’). Do not post an excessive number of threads, posts, or private messages within a limited period of time (‘flooding’).
alanjjohnstone wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/may/01/communist-manifesto-graphic-novel-martin-rowson-marx-filth-fury-gags"I reckon Marx still has a lot to say, and I hope I’ve helped him say it yet again."Also here: http://pdfs.morningstaronline.co.uk/assets/MS_2018_05_05.pdfNeed to scroll to near the bottom.
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Howling Wilf wrote:Yesterday I sat down looking forward to enjoying my favourite website ( this one ) and what should appear on the screen but this – 'Sorry, 83.203.24.241 has been banned'. I thought to myself 'this is it – the crackdown. Tomorrow at dawn we will all be rounded up and taken to a camp – and I don't mean Butlins'.The same thing happened earlier this morning so I am using a different server. I guess it's safe to say we can unpack our toothbrushes. Do your technical wallahs know anything about this?This is a sock puppet account and is in breach of Rule 8. Do not register or operate more than one account without first obtaining permission from the moderators. Do not share your password with others or allow anyone else to use your account. Do not use your account to post messages on behalf of any suspended user, without prior permission from the moderators.This account has been placed on indefinite suspension.
Howling Wilf wrote:Yesterday I sat down looking forward to enjoying my favourite website ( this one ) and what should appear on the screen but this – 'Sorry, 83.203.24.241 has been banned'. I thought to myself 'this is it – the crackdown. Tomorrow at dawn we will all be rounded up and taken to a camp – and I don't mean Butlins'.The same thing happened earlier this morning so I am using a different server. I guess it's safe to say we can unpack our toothbrushes. Do your technical wallahs know anything about this?The user name 'Howling Wilf' has not been suspended. Have you used another user name to access this site? I have no idea what 83.203.24.241 relates too and would appreciate some clarity regarding this.
