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Vin wrote:'bob andrews' is not 'civil'. You are going to suspend a party member for drawing your attention to trolls and spammers. You should hang your head in shame. It is tantamount to action detrimental.3rd and final Warning: 7. You are free to express your views candidly and forcefully provided you remain civil. Do not use the forums to send abuse, threats, personal insults or attacks, or purposely inflammatory remarks (trolling). Do not respond to such messages.This 3rd and final warning will remain in force for the next 30 days. If the user continues to breach the guidelines and rules within that timeframe I will issue an indefinite suspension.
Vin wrote:Bob Andrews wrote:May I take this opportunity to deliver an unreserved apology to Vincent. Although, I'm surprised how chippy he is. I would have thought he was used to being laughed at. But forty years ago he believes he was snubbed by 'little shit' Harry Young and has never got over it. Poor little chap. I feel like a murderer.'bob andrews' Afraid to use his real name because he was expelled for undemocratic actions but you still have friends in the party as they keep your dirty little secret, and don't even moderate your posts. Perhaps we missed a few lice.
2nd Warning: 7. You are free to express your views candidly and forcefully provided you remain civil. Do not use the forums to send abuse, threats, personal insults or attacks, or purposely inflammatory remarks (trolling). Do not respond to such messages.
Vin wrote:moderator1 wrote:Reminder: 14. Rule enforcement is the responsibility of the moderators, not of the contributors. If you believe a post or private message violates a rule, report it to the moderators. Do not take it upon yourself to chastise others for perceived violations of the rules.The problem is you are only enforcing the rules against me – nothing new there but I was hoping that your attitude towards me had changed. Clearly it hasn't. I think that you allow the trolls to attack me hoping that I react and you can say "there he goes, I told you so"I am afraid that it is you, Mod1. that is refusing to move on and being deliberately provocative by singling me out for 'moderation'. Who is 'Bob Andrews' ? Why do you not moderate him/her?There are many cases on this forum where you answer quiries, why dont you answer mine?
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Reminder: 7. You are free to express your views candidly and forcefully provided you remain civil. Do not use the forums to send abuse, threats, personal insults or attacks, or purposely inflammatory remarks (trolling). Do not respond to such messages.14. Rule enforcement is the responsibility of the moderators, not of the contributors. If you believe a post or private message violates a rule, report it to the moderators. Do not take it upon yourself to chastise others for perceived violations of the rules.ee to express your views candidly and forcefully provided you remain civil. Do not use the forums to send abuse, threats, personal insults or attacks, or purposely inflammatory remarks (trolling). Do not respond to such messages.
LBird wrote:moderator1 wrote:This bit reminds me of something: They claim to be “scientific” and to “use science”, but at the same time, they also say they actually use “rational consensus”, a concept philosophic in origin which has no basis in scientific fact, to make decisions.It has to be said, for those unaware of intricacies these issues, that mod1's claim is also 'philosophic in origin'.And, indeed, the 'philosophic origin' of that claim is an elitist one, well suited to any ruling class, especially the bourgeoisie. All ruling classes wish to claim that they alone 'know facts', to the exclusion of the exploited class (ie. the majority), and in opposition to any 'rational consensus' that the exploited insist that they alone can consciously build (for example, Marx's claims for the class-conscious proletariat).
mod1 wrote:They believe the Technate Administration Chart and its personnel selection system is “too hierarchical”, even though it is the same vertical alignment procedure of promotion used by [bourgeois] industry for selecting its supervisory staff in the technical departments. It is a technique which has proved remarkably successful despite Price System interference. It is the [bourgeois] method responsible selecting the personnel responsible for developing, installing, maintaining and upgrading all the complex technology which is currently keeping us all alive.[my bold and inserts]mod1 is remarkably sympathetic here to capitalism, which, indeed, is 'currently keeping us all alive'. But, for whose purposes, and in whose interests?
mod1 wrote:TVP believes that thanks to their education system everybody would be "generalists" and would all be "equally qualified to make decisions" …As do any socialists worthy of the name 'democrats'.
mod1 wrote:…(They believe that given equal education and equal opportunity, everyone will perform identically, which is of course false; in their information presentation, they do mention what we call today "epigenetics", but only stress the part about external conditioning and minimize the effects of biological inheritance as much as possible).[my bold]This is completely untrue – no democrat claims that 'everyone will perform identically' – only that 'everyone has an identical right to participate in decision-making'. It's up to 'experts' to persuade the majority – if the so-called 'experts' can't do so, then the 'experts' are removed, and replaced by 'experts' who can explain to the majority.FWIW, I'm beginning to see why so many of the SPGB and its supporters (including robbo and YMS) sing from the same hymn-sheet as mod1. They all share a common ideology, which is totally unrelated to Marx's views, and totally unsuitable for a democratic socialism.As for 'biological inheritance' (which we can't change) playing a major role, whatever happened to the revolutionary notion that 'socio-historical inheritance' (which we obviously can change) forms by far the greatest part of any human 'inheritance'?
FWIW that is a quote from the link. They are not my words.
ALB wrote:Proof, from the same source, that Fresco was once a member of the Technocracy Movement:http://teslacommunity.com/page/technocratic-party#.WSgCGzeJhdiInteresting that one of the things he fell out with them, or vice versa, seems to over "Technocracy in One Country (especially America)". It is true, though, that his plan to establish a "circular city" somewhere, isolated from capitalism, was a fantasy.This bit reminds me of something: They claim to be “scientific” and to “use science”, but at the same time, they also say they actually use “rational consensus”, a concept philosophic in origin which has no basis in scientific fact, to make decisions. They believe the Technate Administration Chart and its personnel selection system is “too hierarchical”, even though it is the same vertical alignment procedure of promotion used by industry for selecting its supervisory staff in the technical departments. It is a technique which has proved remarkably successful despite Price System interference. It is the method responsible selecting the personnel responsible for developing, installing, maintaining and upgrading all the complex technology which is currently keeping us all alive. TVP believes that thanks to their education system everybody would be "generalists" and would all be "equally qualified to make decisions" (They believe that given equal education and equal opportunity, everyone will perform identically, which is of course false; in their information presentation, they do mention what we call today "epigenetics", but only stress the part about external conditioning and minimize the effects of biological inheritance as much as possible).
ALB wrote:Well (or wel, as they say in Welsh) if they are going to hand them out at the stall in Swansea this Saturday they better do this only to people from Swansea East not Swansea West. Otherwise some of those who want socialism might write WORLD SOCIALISM across their ballot paper instead of voting for the Socialist candidate there.The "I'm voting for World Socialism" stickers are being delivered to Head Office on Monday.These leaflets will not be handed out in Swansea tomorrow. They will be handed out in Cardiff on the 3rd June and any left over will be distributed in Barry, Penarth, Pontypridd, and Thornhill in the hope we have some enquiries from those areas..
gnome wrote:alanjjohnstone wrote:Are Cardiff and Swansea branches now wound up …or only Cardiff being re-named? My Welsh geography is bad so Southeast is what exactlyWhat will the frequency of branch meetings be?My understanding is that Swansea branch will continue and to meet on the second Monday of each month as now. There is no Cardiff branch so the new regional branch is an addition. It will meet every three months; next meeting on Saturday, 12 August in the National Museum of Wales cafeteria in Cardiff at 12noon.Street stall in Swansea this Saturday, 20 May at 12noon.
That's correct. For those of you who lack an understanding of the geography of Wales. The SE region covers everything between Port Talbot and Chepstow on the coast and everything up to Merthyr Tydfil and the Heads of the Valley inland.
gnome wrote:moderator1 wrote:gnome wrote:Have to say that the introduction to the interview was excellent as was the backdrop.Which is the beebs way of providing 'balance' for all minority candidates and to prepare the viewer for the leading questions. Noticable Danny succeded in getting the "key message" across.
Maybe, but the BBC didn't have to go to the lengths that it did this time. Contrast the broadcast last Friday with the interview of Danny in the Daily Politics show three years ago.http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/video/2014-european-elections-danny-lambert-tv-interviewEvidently we have sympathisers in high places.
Not quite, I beg to differ. The backdrop information only means the beeb are: 1. Doing their homework on our case. 2. They constantly need to reassure viewers they know their stuff.Its all to do with balance. Which reminds me that capitalists politicians always dispute the merits of this "balance" so it gets projected in their favour in the future. Indeed, the Daily Politics intray is mostly to do with complaints of this nature. To offset this most media interviews are conducted on the basis that interviewees are pre-warned on the general jist of the interview.
gnome wrote:For the record and accuracy the comrade's name is Aaron Mills.And what does "next meeting Saturday" refer to exactly?Edit: That was a typo in both instances.
Slight change in times: Cardiff street stall will be from 11.00 am to 1.00 pm. Swansea from 12. noon till 2.00 pm.Due to Swansea contesting Swansea West the next street stall will be on Saturday 20th May.
