Lizzie45
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But it might be useful to leaven it with a bit of imagination.
Thanks for the advice, Howard, but I’ll ‘leave(n)’ the imagination bit to you guys if you don’t mind. đ You’re indubitably past masters!
In the end, Trevor, it’s not only votes that count but politically conscious ones at that! Regrettably the level of ignorance in the general populace is breathtakingly mind-numbing and shows no signs of abating anytime soon. I doubt the Aussie experience leads you to a different conclusion.
By the way, kindly demonstrate your brilliance by addressing me as Lizzie, not Lizzy. đ
But thereâs nothing in this which means that a mass socialist movement is a logical or psychological impossibility…..
I’m not so certain for reasons I’ve alluded to in previous posts.
For example, people may be highly disgruntled and dissatisfied with the present state of affairs (as instanced by the perpetual vacillation in their allegiance between different capitalist parties) but are understandably very reluctant to try a completely untried and untested alternative which appears so ‘alien’ to everything they’ve experienced in their lives thus far.They think socialism is nationalisation. Theyâd dismiss us as utopians.
Absolutely. As the derisory number of votes the SPGB will receive in Folkestone & Hythe and Clapham Hill & Brixton on July 4th will confirm.
With regards to Corbyn standing as a left of Labour candidate (or, rather, the Labour Party left him) in his Islington patch, it looks like his Labour opponent, Praful Nargund, is avoiding all the local hustings meetings.
Corbyn has claimed that Nargund had been instructed by the regional Labour party not to attend candidate hustings.
https://www.islingtongazette.co.uk/news/24395060.jeremy-corbyn-islington-north-candidate-interview/
Yes, the move from stone age production to bronze age manufacturing and then to Iron Age production were large scale changes in the mode of production/way of life. You could also use the agricultural revolution as an example.
Nope, invalid. Those changes were not the result of the conscious actions of the world’s population. How could they be? There were no means in place (videre licet, universal suffrage), to record the collective will, even in the extremely improbable likelihood one even existed.
The whole history of human development (good and bad) is littered with examples of humans doing exactly the opposite to what you are suggesting.
Provide one example where the mode of production/way of life was changed by the conscious actions of the world’s population.
Keep trying to bend history to fit your views.
And good luck trying to prevent the inevitable. The SPGB is the final vestige of the World Socialist Movement [sic].
It’s a bitter pill to swallow.
Everyone iâve given the Standard to has rejected our message.
Besser der Teufel, den du kennst, als der Teufel, den du nicht kennst
it is often better to deal with something you are familiar with and know, even if it is not ideal, than take a risk with something completely unknown and untried.
And that, sadly, is why socialism will never be established.
Photos of the candidates in Folkestone and Hythe and other things about them can be found here:
https://whocanivotefor.co.uk/elections/CT19%205SB/50039782/
Unable to find your candidate’s statement to voters or any meaningful information about the SPGB (including its website) at that link!
Hereâs our best election result ever:
https://www.andrewteale.me.uk/leap/ward/9721/
Sad that your candidate in that election defected to a capitalist party a decade later.
You must be aware of the sheer ignorance of history today among British and Americans.
I’ve got news for you, Theophilus. Ignorance, not only of history, is pretty much ubiquitous.
I posted that the party held a discussion with Sir Keith Joseph â as he became, the case for capitalism. The party speaker was Hardy.
You’re referring to a public debate which took place at a college in South London in 1975.
And this from the clueless shadow chancellor:
