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mcolome1 wrote:I have been moderator of more than 15 discussion forums including one that I opened myself for the World Socialist Movement in Latin America, and most of the participants were members of Leninist communist parties, Stalinists, Trotskyite, Anarchists, religious peoples, independents, and others left wings organizations, and in those forums I was always publishing articles written by the WSM/SPGB, but we never had so many conflicts and controversies like in this forum, and we never had so many rules, and so many bureaucratic steps, and some of those forum they had between 3 and 4 thousands members, and the daily posting was very high. Something wrong must be taking place around here, and I have not pay too much attentionI have taken the time to read some of the post on this thread. Frankly, I would like to tell you, that banning a member of a party from an organ of communication for an indefinite time, it is something that I never saw on a Leninist organization.
Thankyou for your comradely support. With all the experience you have had with other groups, I would value your opinion on these EC Minutes https://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/forum/world-socialist-movement/spgb-ec-mins-oct-2016
lindanesocialist wrote:MOTION 7 (Skelly/McClellan): “That Cde V. Maratty be requested to remove the video from You Tube and that its circulation is ceased immediately.” AGREED 6-1-0As Vin is banned from the forum by the EC, and EC members do not frequent the forum or respond to posts, he will need to prepare a response to the EC in writing and post it to his Secretary . The response should reach the EC table by at least the first sitting of the new EC.It seems the EC has acted on the counsel of Cde Paddy O'Shannon. Did they not ask him to support his claim that the video was in breach of copyright before requesting its removal. It seems that this EC acts before its brain thinks.I will check this afternoon with the BBC and ask them if my video breaches copyright taking into account that it only contains clips derived from the SPGB's Official site:And these links will support my claim. By the way where was the EC and Cde O'Shannon when these copyright videos were upload at a cost of £750 per minute according to the BBC that is? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBFj9BUYMwQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUMaBg7bdGU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rjv71HyAPg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcTp2defFHY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0lBdA0q-fI&list=PLfxPWuN7tZz2r_xIyhXr6N4h_pgBDZyai https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic28EwLsLqU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdf1P76SJ18 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fzGmajVtDA&list=PL9EC8BCB0D2CEAE61 I will get back with their reply
I and Vin have been socialists and members of the SPGB since 79Why do they want to get rid of us?This thread is bullshit, created by a member with an axe to grind. Such things do not belong in a revolutionary organisationWe need unity .
If , with the 'new light' moderation noone can be suspended then why is Vin Maratty still suspended??
Make no mistake about it Mcolcome1 as a moderatore yourself you know that the 3 mods haveVin banned but they refuse to accept that and blame it on the EC which makes them cowardly and bullshitters
lindanesocialist wrote:mcolome1 wrote:Why we do not have so many moderation problems, and conflicts at the World Socialist Movement forum ?I nominate you as a mod on this forum
But then I am not a full member of the socialist party
mcolome1 wrote:Why we do not have so many moderation problems, and conflicts at the World Socialist Movement forum ?I nominate you as a mod on this forum
I have looked again and examined these Executive Committee Minutes of the SPGB and I cannot understand why the party is so small! With all the encourgement of individual members's initiatives it is just inexplicable!Perhaps it is the ruling class to blame??? ,
moderator2 wrote:But if you believe that constantly highlighting what you perceive as the failings of fellow members and comrades,Which is what you do to cde Vin Maratty
moderator2 wrote:I intend where possible to moderate with a lighter touch that what might have been the previous case. I'm not pointing the finger but simply saying my attitude and approach is my own. This means that i may well hold a different position from fellow moderators. I am one of three. I can be out-voted. I am also a democrat and accept decisions that go against my own view.And I know and appreciate that, so put the lighter touch into action and give your comrade his Basic rights back.
Young Master Smeet wrote:ALB wrote:I don't know if anyone else noticed it, but someone has posted in another section here that the BBC are charging £1000 for every minute of material from their archives:http://www.bbc.co.uk/commissioning/tv/production/articles/archive-rights-clearancesAnd, more relevently:http://www.bbcmotiongallery.com/
It is important and urgent that – given this information – the EC disassociates itself from this website and the party's Youtube website. Or do you think differentlly Cde YMS?If not, why not? Would really appreciate a response from our legal Eagle
Tim Kilgallon wrote:moderator2 wrote:LBird is a non-member guest contributor to the forum. He has in the past (before my time as moderator) been sanctioned and suspended for breaking the forum rules (if memory serves me rightly.)As a non-member of the WSM and an opponent, he has the liberty of challenging the SPGB and its members' credentials as socialists just as long as his remarks remain within limits civil and are not abusive or insulting. He is free on the forum to express sentiments that we dispute and deny. He is not subject to any Party protocol that stops members questioning fellow members qualifications and qualities for being a socialist or a party member. Many may think he has had time enough to explain his position and question our own but as long as forum users respond and reply to his posts, he will continue to answer them. Therefore, the onus is upon forum users to take action by taking no action, when LBird posts his message. i don't think it is the purpose of moderators to control or censor the contents of posts other than enforcing the forum rules. LBird has been reminded to remain on-topic and not to de-rail threads. If he persists and, especially if there are complaints, the moderators will, indeed, act. Something, i hope he is fully aware of. One thing has to be remembered, LBird, unlike Cde. Marratty, has no recourse to an appeal process other than request the moderators to review their decision. Our decision is the final one. We could impose a permanent ban if we so wished but i wonder, considering the criticism we have received at continuing, for the time being, the present indefinite suspension given to Cde. Marratty, whether such a response would be welcomed when the moderators are being asked to change their attitude and approach to moderation towards a lighter touch.Mod 2So just to clarify, there appear to be three points you are making:1.. there is a "protocol which "stops members questioning fellow members qualifications and qualities for being a socialist or a perty member" could you please: a) point out where this protocol is, does it exist on the forum rules? b) explain exactly AND EXPLICITLY where comrade Marratty has breached this "protocol"2. That there are different judgements made for forum contributers that are members of the SPGB as opposed to those who are not (Again I would be very interested in seeing EXACTLY where this is written in the forum rules or within party procedures)3.when asked about a ban for L Bird you state "considering the criticism we have received at continuing, ………. the present indefinite suspension given to Cde. Marratty, whether such a response would be welcomed"it appears that you are saying that as Cde Marraty's suspension is receivening criticism, you don't want to receive more criticism for doing the same thing again. So you are clearly indicating that you cannot support acting in the same way twice. Surely then the logical position is, if you can't support doing it a second time, you can't support doing it the first time.For once in this issue, Conrade, I would really appreciate a straight answer to some fairly straight questions. with regards to the first point I made could you also please explain how Mod 1 accusing me of being anti democratic was not a breach of the protocol which "stops members questioning fellow members qualifications and qualities for being a socialist or a perty member" and how in the light of his comment he was not banned from the forum?
Comrade, I hope you understand that in this post you have broken all the rules Vin was accused of breaking and you are in danger of becoming the second Foxy Knoxy of the SPGB Mythology,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58rYZCAZsiMWe look forward to voting you on to the next EC to bring an end to this sectarian religious nonsense Fratenally
