[lindanesocialist]

There is no simple answer to this. Pre moderation has it's problems, too and can result in the frustration of users when legitimate on-topic and non-abusive posts are removed or not allowed to be posted. 

[lindanesocialist]

ALB wrote:

I would add that, as someone who was present, my impression was that the mood of the meeting was that it was the "indefinite" rather than the suspension itself that was considered to be unfair.

Indeed, very few people would appreciate unmoderated forums/ meetings.  It would give a poor impression of the party if we were  to allow free rein to sexists, racists, homophobics and sexual perverts on the forum.  

[lindanesocialist]

MOTION 2 (Browne/Scholey): “This EC upholds the suspension from the Forum of Cde V. Maratty and requests the Internet Committee to forward a copy of the offending emails of March 2016.” AGREED 4-0-2. The Anual Delegate Meeting of the SPGB meeting this weekend has resolved that: "the EC instructs the IC to remove Comrade Vin Maratty's  indefinite ban on the forum and elsewhere."Of course the EC is not bound by ADM decisions so it will be interesting to see it how it and the Internet Committee responds to this democratic expression . In the interests of good will and democracy I hope mods will reinstate Vin's account so we can move on to more constructive endeavours and draw a line under this Linda Maratty Membership number 7824 

[lindanesocialist]

I really appreciate your kind consideration not to suspend me for my serious infringements of forum rules. fraternally yours  

[lindanesocialist]

Subhaditya wrote:

the unpleasant and voluntary task of giving 'pleasant sex' to those who arent managing it on their own. If I can get any cruder it would be giving 'pleasant sex' to the uglies and retards of the world who arent managing any on their own.

Of course, There is no reason why you can't freely express this opinion. This forum allows complete and free expression of all opinions

[lindanesocialist]

I personally would not spend my time and energies trying to build an Island of socialism within a sea of capitalismI think the idea that workers can create islands of socialism within world capitalism (See Robrt Owen) although admirable  in their intentions  are doomed to faiure. But the individual or organisation to which I refer to in the OP was unaware that a movement existed to establish a world cooperative to replace world capitalism. He seems excited at the prospect. Let's hope he/they  like our proposition More socialists the better

[lindanesocialist]

The account holder is from the USA and is excited to hear about us. I have sent him a link. 

[lindanesocialist]

With regard to post #73. Thanks for the clarification Gnome. A misunderstanding. I thought I had heard the word VINdictive elswhere and made an error. I don't think that Fraser is 'dropthebomb' and I unreservedly  apologise to Fraser for the implication.Dropthebomb is a troll and I know Fraser wouldn't act in this manner.But someone is and whoever it is has a bee under his/her bonnet about Vin.This needs bringing to an end, so we can move on  

[lindanesocialist]

Dropthebomb wrote:

Why aye, Vin ( short for ' vindictive' ).Too right. 

I don't know what Vin has to do with this discussion, obviously Dropthebomb is a little obsessed with him.Dropthebomb is not a member of Socialist Studies. It is clear that he  is a member of the SPGB.  The first and ony  person to say 'Vin' was short for 'Vindictive' was Fraser Anderson on Spintcom in reply to me  On 25 September 2016 at 19:22, Fraser Anderson f_raz_1@… [SPINTCOM] <SPINTCOM@yahoogroups.com>wrote: "stop being so VINdictive…"No idea what you mean here comrade.If there is a breach we should correct it. End of story.     

[lindanesocialist]

By the way, other members have used a lot worse than 'cowardly bullshiter; and 'little Hitler' But the magnifying glass and the knives are out for Vin. Oh heard the latest……….

[lindanesocialist]

moderator2 wrote:

I watched the Trump/Clinton debate..Who do you think Trump reminded me of with his whining and whinging about the moderators' bias?

 Well it could be worse, I could remind you of Stalin

[lindanesocialist]

moderator2 wrote:

 because your behaviour had not changed. And today i repeated that position. So, yes, i am now completely in accord with that original statement. 

'Behaviour' if repeated by another forum member would result in the very same indefinate ban for said member. I think notOthers have witnessed Vin's  behaviour on the forum since the start of this thread and disagree with the indefinate suspension of a party memberIn fact  malcolm said that he  had only come across this type of moderation  when he was in a Leninist organisation.He doesn't need to know the history, he can see for his own eyes the type of 'behaviour' you refer to. None of  it justifies the indefinate suspension of a party member from the organs of communication.You have become pissed off with someone, that doesn't give you the right to silence them

[lindanesocialist]

moderator2 wrote:

I think it is called collective responsibility, but i maybe wrong. 

Well as Tim says we are in a democratic open organisation and we are entitled to know how members voted.But it explains a lot and your attempt to end the farce is appreciated. NERB had spoken of getting a member on the moderating team to lift Vin's ban. Vin really does or rather did want to get on with doing positve things for the party and the forum but like you he is at the end of his tetherWith regard to this account, the amendment to rules banned the use of 'Vin Said' – remember?Calm down, Vin is  trying to move away but comments appear and we are sucked back in. 

[lindanesocialist]

This thread was NOT published and started  by Vin Maratty. He is NOT to blame for this farce.  Without the ban, this would NOT have happened.You dont blame the person for screaming when he is being whipped, you blame the person holding the whip. Put the whips awayIf you voted to remove the ban then you are not responsible for this either

[lindanesocialist]

moderator2 wrote:

You want to know how the vote went?I was in favour of lifting the ban regardless of the sensibilities among other members being upset by that decision. I was out-voted. Today, that moderator vote would be unanimous. 

 

moderator2 wrote:

After full consultation the moderators decided, Cde Vin Maratty be informed:The indefinite suspension stays in place until further notice from the EC for it to be rescinded. We advise he follows the appropriate procedure and makes a formal appeal to the EC for the ban to be rescinded. Cde V Maratty should take the initiative himself of seeking redress from the EC and present his case so to ensure it contains a sincere contrition for past conductAgreed by Moderator 1 (Cde. Johnson), Moderator 2 (Cde. Johnstone) and Moderator 3 (Cde. Davison)

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