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SocialistPunk wrote:We have a choice as to what we think it means in its context, as a word in a statement coming from the forum moderators of the well known christian revivalist organisation, the Socialist Party of Great Britain.
vin said: Well it;s beginning to look that way Asking members ti do penance and apologies to the selfrighteous brothers SP this has been the problem hasn't it. You make a statement in the OP, change your hat and defend your own statement. I honestly thought things would change when you and Alan joined the IC 'Meet the new boss, same as the old boss' Pete Townsend
Vin said I am receiving private emails from the IC I am of the opinion that these should be public in line with our basic principles. If the IC or mods wish to reply to me they should do so here and in public view
Vin wishes to make an act of contrition as requested by the IC and as a democrat and as an athiest I completely disagree but hey, free speech, what a pain. If only we could just make up some excuse to shut him up. I am sure you will think of somethingHope you dont hold it against meAct of contrition: Please father forgive me for I have sinned. It has been two months since my last confession List of sins since my last confession 1. I have gone off topic more times than most but not all, see for example LBird (Venial Sin)2. I have challenged moderator’s decision's on more than one occasion. In future I will assume the divine right of all moderators and promise to never question their decisions again , regardless of how ridiculous they seem (Venial Sin)3. I apologies for referring to a moderator as ‘acting like a prick’ even though the evidence was overwhelming in my favour. He issued inappropriate and biased warnings and bans(Mortal Sin)4. I will never again refer to a comrade as a ‘little Hitler’ even if he or she does act in a petty dictatorial manner. (Mortal sin) For my penance I will say six Hail Mary’s and six of the Lord’s Prayer and wear a hair shirt for three months.As per the Order of St Benedict, I will maintain a complete silence for a period of one Calendar Month Hope this satisfies the revolutionary movement for a better world
Vin said GwynnI take your points but I am up here in the NE of England on my own and my aim was to use the material at hand on the internet and show the party as it was – warts and all – which I do not think is a bad thing as people are sick of slick politicians and would be put off by a slick well prepared video aimed at conning themI present cdes as ordinary members of the working class trying to convince others to join them. It would be a wrong move to pay to produce a 'professional video'. The politically minded working class will see right through it.Produce a video that gives an honest straight forward view of the movement.Unfortunately I am working entirely on my own. But I am here to work with other comrades to make a video to introduce the party to the working class. We do not need to pay capitalist enterprises thousands of pounds to produce something that is obviously contrived.I will make oneI appreciate your engagement with the discussion comradely vin
gnome wrote:and a preconceived opposition because of its origin.vin said:This is so obvious and embarrassing to the partyThe discussion around the video can only be understood when this is accepted otherwise the discussion becomes desperateOn spintcom a member has criticised the video on the grounds that it is amateur! Reminiscent of the criticisms of Corbyns suit.Do we really wish to present a slick expensive video? What exactly would that say about a party claiming to hold socialist principles?Show me a 'professional' party video that I can learn from? I am getting too old to print and deliver leaflets (and I have delivered thousands ) But I CAN produce a free video for the movement.
Published on behalf of Vin Maratty 1. These meetings should be held on a public mailing list like spintcom as no one knows what information is past around and how the decision was arrived at. 2 Nevertheless, your decision assumes I am to blame for all my suspensions and no other party took part and I alone must must confess my sins and seek forgiveness. I have already made apologies for my part and they were rejected..The IC and Mods have acted in an appalling manner towards me and without any regret or any apologies. 3. It is not for the EC to decide, it is for you three members to decide. If you have been told differently then you have been misled. There is no EC decision on this matter. The decision is yours and yours only. Do not blame the EC . You are banning a member from the forum. . No one else5. Every time it enters my head to have another go: to do my bit. I am publicly humiliated like now (also see video thread)6. In this year of 2016 and in the advanced capitalist world only a very few extremist still believe in 'life' meaning life. Indeed, there is a reformist movement seeking to prevent 'punishments' exceeding 1 year as it is inhumane to extend punishment further7. You use the term 'contrition' Definition: the repentance of past sins during or after confession. "prayers of contrition"Really?We a revolutionary movement not a religious sect. I was brought up a catholic, felt the guilt and confessed and felt pure. I rejected such nonsense at 14 year old.If I am allowed to publish my ‘act of contrition’ on this thread then I will go along with it.Do you seriously believe I will receive an unbiased response from the present EC? vin
Vin said: Here is one explanation for the video's rejection posted on spintcom. Alan says he would like a further elaboration on the argument that the video emphasised "an individual rather than a class approach."How about this: [with approximate timings]:The economic system of capitalism has spread to every corner of the planet and [0:30] is dominated by money investment interest profit and markets. But how does that [0:36] affect us as individuals [0:38][Close quote]This is followed by cartoons of a number of individual capitalists [1.12 to 1.17]. (The video even includes a depiction of that cliché of clichés the “fat capitalist”!) Plenty about their big houses and their flash cars but nothing I think about the class nature of capitalist society and the fact that these “privileges” are inherent in the class nature of capitalism and cannot be abolished or reformed away while the system that supports them lasts.Apparently these capitalists are omnipotent. If you are one “you are free to do almost anything you want” [0.44]… “travel anywhere in the world” [0:49]This is the politics of envy and should, in my opinion, play no part in our “propaganda”. Our case is that minority ownership of the means of life is directly against our interests as a class. Were the capitalist class to become abstemious paragons of virtue would not alter in one jot our objection to their continued existence as a class controling our very existence.The point regarding the uneven distribution of wealth ownership is well made but nothing about how this is maintained by the exercise of political power and the continued support given to it by a majority of our class. Our introductory video should start where our D of P starts by explaining what capitalism is –minority class ownership of the means of life,commodity production,exploitation,class struggle,the need for conscious political action. What the EC had to considered was whether the video adequately presented an introduction to this case for socialism or not.The view of a majority of the EC was that it unfortunately did not. I shall reply to other points raised What about the rest of the video?? Adam Buick, Danny Lambert, Cdes Shodeck and Martin. ? Did they offer an individualist argument? I think they presented the class basis of our case very wellDescribing how individuals earn a living in capitalism can hardly be described as an indivualist analysis. Capitalists are free and workers are not freeThe opening sequence was a lead in – an attempt create an interest and to go on to our case. And even the opening sequence defines the working class as a class forced to sell labour power and the capitalists don't have to?They are free. I suspect the opening sequence was viewed at and the connection somehow faltered !This review of the video is a travesty
Vin saidI have had enough of the humiliation for now. There is no way the party will sanction a video produced by me. I am very surprised this thread has not been sent to the rubbish bin or off-topic section with the rest of my opinions
Vin saidAlan, the respect I have for you and SP and what you have both said to me I must admit I am in the wrong and I will give up the chase.
vin said Alan I know you are on here. Give an open opinion on my status. I have a great deal of respect for you. you do not believe a member should have a lifetime ban. Please reassure me.
For anyone interested, here is the link to that horrendous anti working class video my husband spent hours and hours producing instead of giving me the attention I deserve CRITICISMS WELCOME https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKdMi39yr8Q
alanjjohnstone wrote:Yeah, it is at my house…just get a bus to Manchester airport, grab a plane, fly to Bangkok, get a train to Surin, and then hire a tuk-tuk for the final stretch …just take you about 48 hours of constant travelling and about 1000 pounds in fares…Sorry for the facetious reply but you know full well that it is an e-mail exchange we are conducting. And to be fully engaged in it, i think it best you are not privy to the proceedings, it permits the moderators to be fully frank with one another…just as you would not be permitted into a jury room if you were on trial…If you consider that a sinister development, so be it. Mod 2 using personal account since i can't be arsed at this time of the morning with sleep encrusted eyes to change my accountVin saidof course and Vin is to blame for that too. Syria, Corbyn, . Is he to blame for that tooWhat a lot of tosh. And how is it that mods can say wht they like and no moderationUsing wifes account cos the democratic SPGB has banned me
HollyHead wrote:I understand that Dave, What I meant to ask is — is it possible for the originator / maker / poster of YouTube videos to disable this feature?vin saidsee post 117
