lindanesocialist
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alanjjohnstone wrote:Not being able to post on the Forum is not the end of the world, at least for a few members of the Party.We have as we know, members of the EC and members of important committees, who don't even bother to visit the forum to see what's being discussed, much less engage in the discussion.They perhaps feel less empathy when someone who is "not in the loop" at Clapham High St. is excluded from a crucial part of the Party's social media.
You are probably right but I did enjoy using the forum to exchange ideas.However, as I have no access to spintcom, I cannot download or view party ducumentation. Using someone elses account is humiliating and I do not intend to continue. So I am somewhat out on a limb.If the party doesn't want my support, I think I may join Jez and make a video for him, that would finally ruin him And judging by what the Labourt Party members call each other without being ssuspended or gagged, I will probably be more at home in such an open democratic environment.They even oppose each othe in public
alanjjohnstone wrote:Quote:It would be far better to hand over the whole project of making an introductory video to an outside company such as Lambda, who made the 2015 General Election video for the party.I agree, Gnome.
Fair comment cdes and fair enough. I appreciate the support both of you have given me during my attempts
Vin said:thanks Mod2. I know you are capable of making your own decision by 'f'ile I simply meant some form of record of past behavior and wished to draw attention to the 'level of seriousness' of my last one or two suspension which had nothing to do with 'abusive behaviour' ( more 'worky ticket') and certainly not in the same category of another forum member who is regularily and seriously abusive and has I believe refered to us as a 'bunch of bastards' .Anyway, you have come to your decision and I guess your decision is final and means a life time ban for myself as I have no intention of making an act of contrition to an EC who has rejected and ridiculed years of my hard work in a stroke of a pen.
Vin said:Using a professional company will still require equipment and speakers to be in the same place all at onceI would suggest an appointed committee similar to the SSPC. with the authority to produce videos as and when improtant issues arise and when possible have the draft rubberstamped by the EC. We could produce as many video as we wish – Could also produce videos on overpopulation, war etc If you look at the tecnique use in this videohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMT0i68pcLA a speaker speaking directly to the camera in front of a green screenhttps://www.amazon.co.uk/Ex-Pro-Quality-Photographic-Background-Backdrop/dp/B00KHUQYHG/ref=sr_1_6?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1471684555&sr=1-6&keywords=green+screenCan be moved around or images placed behind him/herAll that is rquired is a central location for equipment and speakers to access. It cannot be difficult for a member to learn to use the video equipment and a green screenIs it 'doable'.
SocialistPunk wrote:If some have issue with some of the footage of Party speakers being of poor quality, it wouldn't be hard to draw up scripts to then be filmed in suitable conditions, specifically for a promotional video. It could be done at head office and then sent to Vin.Vin said: I was thinking along similar lines and was about to draw up a plan until gnome stepped in and from what he has said has blown my plan out the windBut I appreciate your engagement with the project
Vin said I am aure that as a new mod you were furnished with the IC dosiier on Cde vin maratty, If not then I apologise, but it seem very likely that there is a 'file' on me. My first question would have been 'Why have you complied and kept this on a forum member?I would respectfully request that the new mods simply review my last suspension and make a judgement as to the severity of my behavoiur on that ocaassion and make their own judgements as to whether or not it requires contrition and severe punishment.Comradely
Vin said: I have taken into consideration the ECs' criticismsI have Removed regional accentremoved Adamremoved musicremoved clichesRemoved charactertures of capitalistsRemoved Danny's contribution (which I happen to think was excellent)Removed any reference to individualsRemoved any negative consequences of capitalism. ie food banks, strikes and Starving childrenRemoved reference to capitalists being free and workers not I appear to be left with this: Really not trying to be funny maybe it could constitute the basis of a new attempt.Any suggestions On what could be added?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMT0i68pcLA Edit: subtitles will be left for the user to decide. As with allYoutube videos
Vin said: as I have no access to party docs on spintcom. Could a Mod give a reference for 'appropriate procedure' Including the refence to 'contrition' and an example of another forum user having to use the procedure.Also may I have a link to the EC resolution banning me permanently from all party forums? The EC is an administrative body whose function is to administer the affairs and decisions of the party as decided by the membership via Conference, ADM and party poll. My understanding is that the membership have not given me a lifelong ban from all forums. The EC has no authority to do so without a mandate from the membershipAs far as I am aware the mods are in charge of the forum
Tim Kilgallon wrote:On Vin's side, if he could acknowledge that he has stepped out of line at times, has been very offensive, at times and has been provocative at times, I'm sure this would help. If he could also agree that he will try very hard not to be as difficult, accept that the mods have a difficult job to do and agree to try and stop being such a little "worky ticket" (he knows what that means). Perhaps all parties could agree to move forward, with Vin's right to post restored and some form of sanity restored.Vin said:Remove the word very and I will support every word. But then I have admitted all this in the past. And have been left humiliatedIt became personal, I was a target, slightly off topic and I was warned etc etc.Now that we have more mods I think it will see and end to that. I am willing to move forward and will stick to the rules. By the way Tim, your one to call someone a 'worky ticket',
SocialistPunk wrote:No reference to "sin" as far as I'm concerned. But then I have no history with christianity.Vin said:I was raised a catholic so I know all about contrition and sins; there are venial sins (minor) and mortal sins (Really major).Admiting your sins – veniel and mortal – and seeking forgiveness from God wipes the slate clean so to speak and your soul, which I always believed was around the chest area, becomes lilly white.Just as a side – buggery was and still is a Mortal sin in the catholic church while raping and seizing land from the natives wasn't and still isn'tYou may remember an absent cde from the NE who trained as a priest, to his mother's delight, but after visiting the vatican to witness the contrasting wealth and poverty he thought 'bugger this'.He left for the club every Sunday morning swearing to his mother that he was going to Church (which by the way is a Mortal sin)But that didn't matter as he no longer believed in sin or contrition. To give him credit he drank in the 'Catholic ClubI miss Kevin Catholicism Terrible religion See what your missing having me banned, I have lots of useful information. Especially on the history the SPGB and its members in the North East and Catholicism. I may write a book on it someday, If I ever get access to the files on Spintcom again edit: Or a video lolComradely
moderator2 wrote:We advise he follows the appropriate procedure and makes a formal appeal to the EC for the ban to be rescinded.Vin saidWhen did it become an appropriate procedure for a suspended forum member to send an act of conrition to the EC?Have any other member followed this procedure?
Murderers and rapists eventually get out of prison without contrition. The Mods are giving out a lifetime ban and I think they should reconsider. Linda
SocialistPunk wrote:Would it be preferable to put my moderators hat on to point out the use of one word does not have a religious meaning in the statement?I would have thought the secular meaning of the word would be obvious? Obviously not.Vin said,well you introduced the term in the OP. So it would only be fair to declare your interest in defending it's use? Some words do not have a secular use 'sin' is one such example. The IC statement is clearly stating that Cde V Maratty needs to admit to his sins and make an act of contrition. I have done that publicly. Is it sufficient?
