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vin saidDi ya naw this is a revolutionary forum ffs, cut the aggro marra. Free speech and all that — jesus! Which mod school did yea gann tee?Alan this EC is out of control
Only using my democratic right to publish ec minutes and comment on them. if that is not allowed then I will desist
Vin said: May I deal with the EC's criticism of the video: “The EC recognizes the efforts behind the video but is unwilling that it be adopted as an official party publication. Criticism of the video include its generally unprofessional and clichéd presentation such as that it is ineffective in getting the socialist case across. For example among other things the use of overly “dramatic” music, the appearance of cartoon capitalists, the emphasis on individual rather than a class approach.” Although the video speaks of the 'individual' , all speakers in the video explain the position of the individual in terms of their class position.So individuals do what they do because of their class position. This is the whole point of the narrative at the start of video, to explain that the class position of the individual determines what they can and cannot do. You are where you are as an individual Because of your class position. As for the cartoon characters, a contribution from the EC or others earlier and they could have been replaced with real politicians. Generally unprofessional?Yes, we are ordinary members of the working class on very low income. One has to wonder what the tolpuddle martyrs, Diggers, Eugen Debs and the early trade union strugglers would have thought of such a criticism The more branches and members contribute during the production, the more we will all be satisfied with the end product. Comradely
northern light wrote:I've always considered it the mark of a big man (or woman), he who can (without coercion) openly admit he is wrongI think it is time for ALL sides to come together with arms outstreched.Vin said:thanks Ozy. My regional accent disappears when I singit becomes Americanized, like most rock songs.It is generous of you to admit that you have changed your mind
Tim you are the AV committee. Here are Vin's proposals for future party Video production and will be sent to as many members as possible. The negative images of capitalism are illustrative of technique and what was handy at the time, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roJc5Ytu8LY
SA Tails1 minute agoI hope the proposal gets accepted. It's a great idea, and I'd love to see videos being produced by the SPGB. I'm a member of the party in Canada, and we've been talking about making videos, but we've yet to do very much beyond talk, plan and etc. The parties finally producing videos would be a great step forward for the cause in its entirety.
Really appreciate you comments SP re copyright. I have had this video up for some time using material of John Lennon.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UcYhx-24z0The only problem is that those who own the copyright of the songs have took ownership of 'monetarisation' which means they take any money made from the video. Doesn't bother me as I am not in it for the money (or to be excact – the coppers.)They do not wish to sue as it advertises their music and earns them money (in this case pennies)I would like to be part of the production of party videos with as much input as possible from membership , and to this end I seek further nomination to the AV committee. I would like to gauge members' views. So I i'll send this to all members. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roJc5Ytu8LY
Tim Kilgallon wrote:lindanesocialist wrote:A branch is not divided by holding different opinions but I appreciate I shouldn't have used the word 'divided' , I appreciate your comments re video SP Can anyone confirm if the party is open to prosecution re my post 204 above?as far as I'm aware, copyright matters are usually a civil law issue and only rarely have criminal consequences
My point is, that a criticism of the Intro Video is that it leaves the party open to be sued for using BBC material but the video was constructed using material from the Party's official Youtube channel.We were already open to be sued before the Intro Video.
A branch is not divided by holding different opinions but I appreciate I shouldn't have used the word 'divided' , I appreciate your comments re video SP Can anyone confirm if the party is open to prosecution re my post 204 above?
Brian wrote:You have not received permission to use the party logo. Yet you continue to use it? Is that sour grapes and nonsense? By continuing to use the logo you are deliberately misleading the working class that the video is a party production. It contains no diclaimer to this effect, neither does it state its your independent production. If you are so proud of your efforts how come you are not claiming ownership but seeking a free ride on the back of the party?You have dug yourself a hole which only you can backfill.Seems Swansea Branch may be divided on the video. Howard Moss on Spintcom descibed it thus: Yes, I've watched it, I agree it's very good. Another useful weapon in our armoury. Well done.Only one word to describe this – excellent. Howard Moss https://beta.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/spintcom/conversations/messages/17289
Vin said May I ask YMS and Brian if they are concerned for or have ever enquired about copyright legal action regarding these videos on the SPGB official youtube acount? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUMaBg7bdGU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUCtS7LU0y4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfbBh8Q0-Wk Actually there are too many for me to list, BBC Cnannel 4 etc Ironically this is the source of the material I used in the video
Vin said Something should be made clear at this point.This was a draft Video, submitted to the EC, if accepted as a draft then these matters could easily have been ironed out.The situation now is that this is MY video NOT the party's MY work and MY money spent on it NOT the Party's.It is an unfinished project that I have uploaded to MY Youtube account.SPGB have already publicly disowned the video. So there is no liability It is open to MY Party to sue me This is the only issue here.
Brian wrote:By continuing to use the logo you are deliberately misleading the working class that the video is a party production. It contains no diclaimer to this effect, neither does it state its your independent production. If you are so proud of your efforts how come you are not claiming ownership but seeking a free ride on the back of the party?You have dug yourself a hole which only you can backfill.It is my video not the party's. I have stated that clear on Youtube. No withdrawal or apology necessary. When a member of the WSPUS said it was good. I pointed outh the SPGB dont think so they have rejected it. He is a little baffled to say the least."Misleading the working class? Seeking a free ride on the back of the party?"Sure Paddy Shannon said there are rules against questioning the inegrity of members Yours for positive socialist activity Vin and Linda
