LeonTrotsky
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The only monster that we have in front of us is capitalism and it could be state capitalism or corporate capitalism – ms
So in the meantime, let them starve, take away their health care etc?
So if Hitler, Musslonin, Franco, Stalin, Pol Pot etc. were not monsters, what were they?
in Europe, many workers have more social benefits than the USA workers, and many workers have workers union, in the USA workers unions have declined drastically, – ms
True, largely b/c Europeans are more informed politically and exercise their right to vote. They don’t throw away their ballot, as many on here are advocating.
you are really supporting the bourgeoise class -ms
Voting per se doesn’t mean we support the bourgeoisie, just b/c a socialist isn’t on the ballot, especially when the potential for an extreme party/individual to inflict great harm is about to win. As a socialist, you should do everything in your power to stop a monster, and that means voting against him or her.
There is no opposition in the USA
We know that. It’s a fact. But in the meantime when all you have in front of you are only two choices: bad and worse, and by not voting b/c you don’t like the bad, you are helping the worse. I can’t make it anymore simplistic than this.
An attention cry- LT- an attention cry.
Once the oxygen-mix fades from the return comments, the flame will loose its blue, turn yellow, and then a black- pufffff!
Attention is the key common denominator- reduce it: it moves to the next oxygen mix. – lb
If anyone is crying, it is you, when I point out to you how destructive and counter-productive your ideas are. I hope you’re enjoying your health care and every other social benefit, while others lose theirs. You know what they say about “principled people”?
If we count all the young peoples who did not vote, and the followers of Bernie Sanders who did not vote either, we can say that the USA has more than 100 millions of Fascists and Nazis, more Fascists and Nazists that Italy and Germany combined.- ms
People who are ill-informed about their actions are not fascists. They are just stupid, like yourself. In fact, by not voting in 2016 they put the trump crime syndicate in power, and you’re suggesting that was a good idea? How foolish can you be?
NOBODY here is suggesting “progress is made by not voting “ – robbo, Nov. 12, 7:20 am
If there is no socialist on the ballot, dont vote or spoil your ballot. – robbo Nov. 6, 2020 @ 11:04 pm
Poor little robbo doesn’t realize that by not voting he is helping the opposition, the greater evil. In the meantime, while you wait for the socialist candidate to appear on the ballet, he says “Let them eat cake!” “ACA is not perfect, so kill it!” “Social Security is not perfect, kill it!” “Make the working class hurt, so we can prove our point of being “principled””. Champagne socialists, who enjoy all the fruits of a bourgeois life while denying others of them, are the worst kinds of fascists. In fact you’re worse, you would take their cake away from them and let them starve.
Our stand is totally different from all these groups – mov.
Indeed, and Trump would have been in power for at least another 4 years and probably more.
A fascist is defined by his or her actions. Denying reality is part of the life of a fascist. The arguments here have become an echo chamber of utter stupidity: “Progress is made by not voting” and that given a choice “the greater evil is better than the lesser evil”. The idiocy is beyond belief. Secondly, Marxism is rooted in materialism and relativism, not idealism. Have you not read Marx’s and Engels’s work on the Charists making progress?
It’s hard to compare Marx and Lenin. Marx was an academic and theorist above all else; Lenin, a revolutionary practioner. Aside from his writings on imperialism, Lenin was preoccupied with the work of overthrowing the ruling class, where ever that may be.
In this sense LBird, Lenin argued that the working class required a transition period between capitalism and socialism in which a dictatorship of the working class would rule.
Nobody has suggested not voting.- robbo
If there is no socialist on the ballot, dont vote or spoil your ballot. – robbo Nov. 6, 2020 @ 11:04 pm
