L.B. Neill
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I get it BD,
Fist full of pancakes- and not a clue what to do.
But it is good they had no idea- or who knows what!
Regarding the deaths, not of the cholesterol guzzlers, but of the others… sad.
They should trade in their guns for football boots: much safer.Bijou Drains,
What an image!
… Such a loss of humanity when people are killed for a lie. These right wing vanguards- for want of a term- have taken lives for a deceit.
… There may be a momentary media ban to stop the distribution of extremism pouring out of the White House’s porcelain throne, but the tarnish will stink for a time to come.
No one deserves to be killed in a mob- not ever“no property”
Then no term is needed.
We seek a word, but perhaps none is needed. The absence of one indicates no ownership
ALB- you are a star!“Perhaps the term “universal property” should be one that we begin to use even if those who use it still impose capitalism’s exchange values on it”
Finding a term in the English language is difficult, a harsh parole.
Common Ownership
Propriety (common)
Universal Property
They seem not to shake off the notion of ‘chattel’.… But then there is ‘utility’
Common Utility: universal utility.
Sound okay… or back to the drawing board!On: “you don’t want the inequality to be so extreme that it leads to revolution”
The historical forces of the class struggle can’t be sedimented. They are fluid and work around any obstacle: money can’t pay off social evolution.“The base is economic, but the superstructure, in all its diverse manifestations, has much to delight us with and teach us about ourselves.”
In concluding any remark I may make on this thread- I find Thomas More’s post heartening. There is much delight in the superstructure, and it will have much diversity.
I think I have earnestly posted in a past thread that I belong to a community of faith. The metaphor of oil and water: socialism struggles to mix with faith, is one that I might not agree with. But that is okay.
The human mind can hold contradictions (bracket, mix and meld ideas)- though in a thread post it is limited to elaborate in detail.
Appealing to the masses on changing the base to socialism means reaching out to a tingling superstructure in all its values and local wisdom practices.
There is a kind of alchemic process that makes oil and water mix. If I can name it I will let you know. But I think getting to know one another, our common humanity is a good start.
Some of you know that I have posted for a while in earnest, in learning, in all openness, and I have got to know some members more and have shared that common humanity… I might sound odd, saying I can hold the contradiction of material and scientific alongside a belief, that to others is intangible. But that is okay too… That seems to be the theme of my lived experience, somewhat like moving through the raindrops without a shared umbrella.
The SPGB has been an altering experience for me- and have met comrades… reconciling differences and embracing multi stances with a common aim continues. I think more dialogue is ahead and in the spirit of Thomas More’s post above… long may it continue.
LB 🙂Matt, thanks. So many working class histories fall by the way. Ignored and neglected. We can weave them again.
All aside… even the festive jest… a gold nugget of history is kept alive… Our oral culture deserves the archival attention, irrespective of our lived experiences.
We experience so much loss, and right through history… but the last sad thing is the silent existence of the our stories, our very histories, irrespective of material conditions.
Signing off, and late down South,
Be safe, LBIrony is my take home word of the day.
MAGA sees BLM actions as a threat.
MAGA uses those same BLM actions in a perceived threat.
… But MAGA does it at a level that disrupts democracy.
MAGA is a pot and kettle unto itself.James19- is it cheaper to sell than it is to buy? Citizenship listings on the stock market must be considered…
Q from original non Christian texts, that discuss Christian encounters are never a great point to reference the personage of Jesus… they capture according to their own perspective…
Christian documents such as James, appear to be even earlier than the Gospels.
You see, oral culture is so widespread in articulation culture and religion back then (and even very much now).
Sometimes primary interviews of the historian or archivist seem to be a go to point- and once textualized, it is clear from semantic scrutiny, that many voices are contained in the statements, remarks of witness accounts.
Oral tradition should not be seen as speculative and cutting edge: they are the dominant communicative event (Speech Acts far outweigh Text acts) in ancient accounts.Well I must say- you are committed to your interpolation.
There are other views that counter the ‘jesus-myth’.
I have seen a lot of narratives on secular ‘myth busting’ websites, and some texts on it- and they seem to froth with a atheistic zeal, so mush so, that it is their primary focus…
It is with respect, that my research permits me to see the New Testament texts as a source document in the historical personage of Jesus.
There are so many texts out there: many in their time have a hagiography to them.
This historiographic investigation, somewhat Chrestus, depends on the very nature of interpolative practice, then and now- including our own subject positions informed by any findings on the subject. We just need to respect our and one another’s view.
Interpolation, seeding ideas into others is a common practice in any epoch, and somewhat after all the narratives are are accessible to observation. So much time and a near immensity of time has passed… that the data/texts can be used to argue any viewpoint on the historical person of Jesus.
One view that often gets lost… is the oral tradition of communication in Christian formations. Oral history at some point in Christianity needed to be documented. Scribes had been few and far between. Oral culture is harder to capture in archives, so much of everyday folk is unrecorded.. and sadly lost. The Gospels captured it through the use of interviewing witness accounts (or the living archiver of a witness), popular in Antiquity historiography. But this is the same for any movement. In the very early days of the movement, and with oral traditions of communicating (a mental-memory archive) there will be less manuscripts. And in the initial persecutions, perhaps less so at first.
This is always a debate that has so much energy and near raw views, and really broad in scope.Bijou Drains,
Irony that points to vanguardism. Who first came up with the 2-3% number for a vanguard… seems that left/right centre is not far from each other at all!Trump supporters Riot, storming Capital Building to ‘stop the steal’:
I was reminded of our friend LT who hinted at this kind of event happening. This is an anti-democratic moment based on a baseless mongering of stolen votes.
The actions of these ‘red baseball hatters’ begs incredulity towards facts-
The imagined centre position between the Democrat and the Republican has always swung from the right to left, and always averaged the set centre.
The tool of violent anti democratic action has been used in the belief it will ‘restore’ what they think is their version of their restoration of their democratic theft. Trump has weaponised alternative facts in a newer civil act of divisionAbsolution! Happens with a change of heart… but on timing and socialism… there is a lot of work yet… Engels may have had little access to modern modelling methods and projections but time and numbers are conflating… slow and steady ‘flow of history’ to come.
“Just pointing out that history is a flowing river, not a series of framed pictures.”
And that is an interesting metaphor for the Christian movement reaching to “all nations”. It is more a world meta national and melding with cultural difference and many historical epochs, producing this flowing river of history and thought. Origins in Palestine. Old Testament (Jewish) and New Testament (Christian) can’t be rewritten as New Roman- any talk or text in Christianity is coupled with talk and text in Judaism. Today. The historical centre in Rome is a historical development as the movement developed, but by no means its only centre.
Hope I said that without a pop and ‘upperosity’ but more a moder-osity
