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Some interesting info on the Movement for Justice herehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_for_Justice_by_Any_Means_Necessary

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The Russian Revolution: Its Origin and Outcome (1948), the pamphlet by the Socialist Party of Canada is available on ebay with some later pamphlets from the early SPGB library serieshttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/362014855707?ul_noapp=true

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facebook, twitter, tumblr, reddit, discord?

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Vin wrote:

You do realise that a Comrade has been expelled for posting  information from the Labour Party  You are promoting a capitalist organisation. Shame on you

You jest, but I think it might have a bearing on how we interpret the clause in question and its limits.

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Here's what famous party member Tony Turner said about mass production

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To give an example—where most familiesmade their own bread, there was still divisionof labour. But this simple division of labouris not mass production. Mass productionmethods are bread-making are only possiblewhen the vast majority of families, including themothers and daughters no longer bake bread.Prior to mass production, thousands of mothers and daughters were making tens of thousands of loaves of bread, in fact plenty of bread—but it was not mass production of bread. Or.ce the mothers and daughters were taken into factories, offices, etc., other methods were required to produce the tens of thousands of loaves. A relatively few professional bakers and assistants were necessary.In order that these relatively few people can turn out the bread formerly made by thousands of people, vast masses of machinery have to be made, machinery enabling the process of bread-making to be split up into its simplest opera-tions and the labourers divided, classified and grouped according to these functions. These methods demand the centralising of the activity, such as is to be seen at Lyons' Cadby Hall, ' Hovis ", and " Wonderloaf " model bakeries.Mass production methods demand a hierarchy of labour, from the labourer at the working-tool to the organising manager. It must be remembered that this splitting of the functions demands speed and authority in production and transportation.

http://spgb-forum-journal.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/production-for-useor-mass-production.htmland other articles in responsehttp://spgb-forum-journal.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/turner

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On the 1867 reform act

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One MP warned of the dangers of handling the vote to "great masses of half-educated men". He argued that once trade unionists had the vote they would demand the reduction of the working day to "eight hours".Benjamin Disraeli, the Conservative Party MP, was strongly against this measure because it enfranchised 203,000 people in the boroughs and these would cast their votes "all of one class, bound together by the same entitlements and habits – we must recollect that half the boroughs are already under the influence of the new class… we are conferring power on a class".Lord Palmerston, the prime minister, was also opposed to parliamentary reform. He told Lord Russell that his proposal was causing "excitement in the working class" and would give "great power to the agitating but secret leaders' of the unions". He went on to say: "The direct consequence would be an increased and plausible cry for the ballot and the introduction of men into the House of Commons who would be following impulses not congenial to our institutions… Your intended course is openly disapproved of by all the intelligent and respectable classes."

Where it doesn't depend on workers votes, aspiring conservative rulers don't give a fig for workers. 

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Yep ISJ would be a model to borrow from. What is their specific schedule?1 April,1 July,1 October,1 January?Like SPGB Forum Journal (have you read this?), theory would certainly be discussed.

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The discussion journal committee made a report to EC in July 2006 including this conclusion;

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The evidence we gathered does not indicate that there is wide support for a formal dis- cussion journal, either printed or online. Only one Branch (Edinburgh) was in favour of such a journal; no other Branch contacted us regarding the matter, indicating that there may be a certain apathy regarding the idea. Furthermore, no Branch or mem- ber responded to our query about their willingness to contribute to or help produce such a journal. (The actual wording of the 2005 Conference resolution setting up this Committee was “to investigate the willingness of members to produce” the journal, and the circular we sent to Branches and to spintcom solicited feedback on this point.) We must conclude, then, that at this time there is an insufficient interest and prospect of article submissions to justify the work of setting up a new discussion journal editorial and production committee.That said, many members did express interest in seeing discussion carried out in the Socialist Standard. We therefore refer this matter to the Socialist Standard Production Committee and ask that they provide an assessment of the evidence we have gathered.

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Thanks for your interest robbo. I don't think it is impossible to be a socialist without being a party member or that non-members have nothing to contribute. However, members-only-writers would make editorial more straightforward and hopefully be mutually beneficial in terms of boosting party membership and interesting existing members. Perhaps a balance could be struck with a letters page?

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Will these be available to order from the website store?

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I think that big capital tends to favour funding representatives perceived as 'professional' (smart appearance, university educated, well spoken, maybe a background in lobbying like Owen Smith etc.) with no principles or very flexible principles.I think those voters that voted Corbyn cottoned on that these sort of 'professionals' are slimy and without integrity and Corbyn is the opposite.So yes, an anti-establishment vote.This is probably why it was a mistake for the Tories to target Corbyn personally and many voters that did not support Corbyn can't understand why anyone would elect someone so 'unprofessional'. Maybe if the Tories had made more of the economic failings and fallacies of Labour (and not a personal campaign) they would have been more successful.

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imposs1904 wrote:

Good that they are both now up from 1910. I'll look through some other old Standards to see if there are other election statements that have yet to be put on the net.

Do you have a full paper archive or access to HO in London? For a moment, I thought they were the same address, but turns out there were two general elections around that time.

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imposs1904 wrote:

As it's election week, a new addition to the blog:Link: SPGB's 1910 General Election ManifestoOn the internet for the first time.

Makes for interesting comparison with thishttps://libcom.org/library/general-election-our-manifesto-workers

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Are you in favour of socialism?Should those in favour of socialism join a socialist party?Are you in favour of democracy as a means to achieving socialism?Are you of the view that socialists elected to legislatures ought not to vote on any legislation?

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Cheers, also removed

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The section on his letters to Fred Henderson, although revealing his attitude to aesthetics, is left out of the later editions of E.P.Thompson's study. This is a pattern I have noticed in other books. Slight breaks with good taste occur in first editions which might have escaped the attention of chief editors. The success of the book then presumably brings it to the attention of the publishers and it is intuitively tidied up for the second or subsequent editions.

whilst

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'William Morris, From Romantic to Revolutionary', was issued in a revised edition with a useful postscript in 1977.

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