h.moss@swansea.ac.uk
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ParticipantIf this is ‘provocation’, then what about the ‘provocation’ Ukraine has had from Russia since the day it was invaded and its inhabitants bombed to smithereens? As socialists, we just shouldn’t be taking sides in these conflicts or saying that one side or its supporters should do one thing or another.
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Participant‘Provoking Russia’
What does that mean?h.moss@swansea.ac.uk
Participant“If the only people that knew this were the 10 members of the socialist party we may as well give up.”
More than 10 – at least 11.h.moss@swansea.ac.uk
ParticipantTroubling? No, fascinating, yes – and what a great, novel way of putting the case. Does anyone know anything about F.M. Robins? She sounds like someone worth knowing about. Thanks, Darren.
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Participant“It would seem to be a difference of style rather than of substance in that most modern wars have always arisen from conflicts of economic interest between rival capitalist groups over sources of raw materials, trade routes, markets and investment outlets and strategic points and areas to protect these.
Various terms have been used to describe this such as “imperialism”, “colonialism”, “neo-colonialism” but the best term is simply “capitalism” as these conflicts of economic interest and wars are an inevitable result of the competitive struggle for profits that is at the heart of the system..
Trump is being “transactional” rather than diplomatic. In other words, telling it as it is rather than disguising it as crap about the free world, democracy, human rights, rights of small nations, etc.^
Spot on.
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ParticipantOne of the problems with the ‘peace at all cost’ argument (i.e. Russia ‘winning’) that some are touting is the long-term ‘totalitarianising’ effect of this and the consequent closing off of any possibility of the free exchange of ideas which is essential for the socialist case to be heard and spread. In this connection this short article from the Guardian is a necessary read:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/09/many-teachers-dont-want-to-do-this-but-theyre-trapped-film-shows-extent-of-putin-indoctrination-in-russian-schools
In a similar connection our own Keith Graham’s recent letter in the Guardian is interesting too:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/09/the-greatest-scandal-is-individual-powerh.moss@swansea.ac.uk
ParticipantThe trouble with what Rubio and one of our contributors say is that it seeks to find some kind of rationality in the words and actions of the Trump adminstration, when it’s clear that, even from a capitalist point of view, what it’s doing and saying has no clear rationality or logic. As for Roger Boyes, well that seems largely the fervid imaginings of a journalist who needs to find something to write.
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Participant‘In saying that the war could have been avoided Trump has virtually admitted that it was provoked by the actions of previous US administrations who pursued the policy of expanding NATO right up to the frontiers of ex-USSR Russia. The expansion to include Ukraine turned out to be an expansion too far.
The alternative explanation that the war was caused simply by a mad dictator bent on expanding his domain has been shown to wrong and those who accepted it have been left with egg on their face.’
But this is to lend credence to the analysis and actions of the maniacal leader that is Trump.
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ParticipantI perceive glee in Trump’s actions among some comrades. Not good.
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ParticipantOkay, I take your point. But difficult to say everything in 130 words (it wasn’t my ‘snippet’ by the way) and at least it gives material for discussion.
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ParticipantWhich warmongers are they?
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ParticipantCan it be explained how the current website ‘snippet’ is ‘low-hanging fruit? By the way it’s open to anyone to contribute to the regular snippets feature. Anyone who doesn’t like some of them is free to contribute. Contact Ann French (ann.french@bigduck.org.uk), the coordinator.
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ParticipantWhat’s this hard on that some Party members seem to have for Russia and Putin?
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ParticipantPoor analogy. It’s no better because it takes place in small clubs. Elvis wasn’t much of a guitarist anyway.
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ParticipantIt defeats me that anyone can imagine that boxing (i.e. two human beings in a ring trying to knock each other senseless) could be a part of the civilised society that socialism will be. It’s the capitaalist equivalent of the Roman arena. In socialism we won’t have the arena and we won’t have boxing. If that’s judgemental, so be it. Some things at least we should be able to make judgements on.
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