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ALB wrote:I think that should be "workers' share of newly created" or "added value" since, by definition, "surplus value" is the part of this that precisely doen't go to the workers.
Yup
alanjjohnstone wrote:On some thread i think it is stated that Kliman goes against the common belief that workers income has declinedWell that's not quite it. He says that there wasn't a decline in workers income before the advent of the crisis and that the workers share of surplus value should be calculated including non-wage benefits such as health care etc…
I don't think they should have used child labour I found the kids voice irritating and they could have cut it in half by not having the Jacques Fresco clips. I think the short format of our election video was good.
I read this book by Simon Blackburn earlier in the year. It's good, but more like a guide through the arguments as they have taken form through the millennia than an out and out solution to the problem…http://www.theguardian.com/books/2005/may/21/highereducation.news1
Quote:How do people come across the WSM on reddit?In the past articles have been shared on there (probably by members of the public) and have got click backs in the high double figure range, maybe more…
Quote:As old hat as the public meeting and leaflet drop?Well no, but will be before you know it. Remember Myspace? Good to try and be a bit ahead of the curve…
Twitter and Facebook are old hat now. Forums even more so. We sometimes get quite a lot of success from Reddit.com now…
This is interesting, about the "social media echo chamber" or lack of it:http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2012/01/online_echo_chambers_a_study_of_250_million_facebook_users_reveals_the_web_isn_t_as_polarized_as_we_thought_.html
It's been years since I read that stuff but I think he saying something like emotionally damaged (what he would call armored) people will be unable to see a socialist revolution through because they are too dependent on hierarchy etc and it is only until an undamaged generation is raised that socialism would be possible. Though he did change his views as his life progressed and ended up dying thinking that his experiments had summoned UFOs from space…
I really don't think there's anything in Reich's orgone theories (though I used to when I was a excitable teenager and not so good at critical thought) which is a shame since they obscure what useful stuff he did write.I don't think he claimed people automatically become socialists through therapy either….
Vin wrote:People have and will continue to join the party because of social media contact and discussion, DJP. Whether we like it or not people will become more and more influenced by social media as opposed to going to a public meeting or reading a leaflet that comes through the door or a newspaper from the corner shop.You've misunderstood me.I mean that our approach to the internet and social media should be concerned with what will make us more visible / give us most exposure to people who may already agree with some or all of what we say rather than trying to activly get involved in the infinite amount of endless (and in my opinion low quality) "discussion" that takes place online. It's about what is the most effective use of our limited time and resources.I think the Debunking Handbook that I think I mentioned in another thread is a good source for ideas…http://www.skepticalscience.com/Debunking-Handbook-now-freely-available-download.html
Perhaps this sums it up.In all honesty I think it's more about us being visible to people that might agree with us rather than trying to endlessly get involved in every online "debate" going..
There's also that TV series with Patrick Stewary as Lenin, sure I started watching it online once but can't seem to find it again…
From one of the articles mentioned above.
Quote:The author of Animal Farm, George Orwell, commenting on the genesis of this work, stated: “Men exploit animals in much the same way as the rich exploit the proletariat”I don't think that's right, we don't enter into social relations with animals, but then that does not mean that we should not have ethical concerns about them. It's just that these concerns can only arise from a singular direction only, from us. In much the same way that we have relations with future generations etc…
