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FWIW see number 11 here:https://faq.worldsocialism.org/index.php?sid=4841&lang=en&action=artikel&cat=5&id=11&artlang=en
Young Master Smeet wrote:I believe the IWGB were behind the Uber court case, and I know they have organised outsourced Universiy of London cleaners.The Uber case was to do with GMB. IWGB was to do with the Deliveroo strike. For a small union, the IWGB seems to be doing very well for themselves.
ALB wrote:Didn't they elect one in the Philippines earlier this year? .But, then, the Philippines did used to be a US colony.Yes, and now the bodycount is 4000 plus.
Communism or socialism would be the community as a whole producing what the community as a whole needs and requires. It wouldn't be individuals exchanging goods and services on the basis of labour time, which is pretty much the situation we have already.Things like time banks might be worthwhile for some people within the context of Capitalism, but they are not an example of socialised production.
ALB wrote:Just occurred to me. DJP has identified the person spouting currency crank ideas as a UKIP MEP. If we get his name we can challenge him to debate and publically expose the bollox he's talking.According to the caption on the first few frames of the video, it's Godfrey Bloom.
alanjjohnstone wrote:Report of the "libertarian" PKK attitude to debate and discussion at this year's Anarchist Bookfairhttps://leilashami.wordpress.com/2016/10/29/london-anarchist-bookfair/Why do you think that guy, the stage invading one, is a representative of the PKK?
lindanesocialist wrote:Three personal insults does not really counter his argument, tho, does it? This is the way our own position is criticised. Is it not more constructive to deal with the substantive content of what he is saying rather than simply sticking labels on him?I doubt he would take two of those as an insult.If you want to know why what he says is crankism, I suggest you read this thread from the beginning or search the site for "fractional reserve"
lindanesocialist wrote:Thought this might be of interest https://www.facebook.com/WeAreChange.org/videos/10154586609088690/ That guy is a UKIP MEP, a currency crank and probable anti-semite too. These people are not our friends!
mcolome1 wrote:This is not acceptable. This man is using the name of the Socialist Party of Great Britain for his own personal use, and running a stupid survey on the SP thru Google. He says one things and later one say ssomething else. He is taking us as bunch of foolI agree. I have no idea why this "questionnaire" has been composed or why the creator thought the need to do so, seeing as he clearly has not understood the WSM case for socialism. Is he trying to pitch for work?
If the meeting was inquorate all the way through then does that mean all these floor resolutions are out of order?
jondwhite wrote:The quote from the SPGB pamphlet Socialism taken from this site isQuote:In order, then, that plenty and leisure may be the portion of all, we need not wait for further advances in the means of production. Every requisite is already in the hands of society, and it only remains for human intelligence so to organise the existing powers of production, and so to arrange the distribution of wealth already being produced, as to make the best use of both. Then poverty and drudgery will be banished for ever.Not sure why Walsby apparently changed 'requisite' to 'prerequisite'.
Well yes. The means of production and communication have already been developed to an extent to allow for socialism, all that is now needed is the conscious effort to organise for it. He's not disagreeing.
Every prerequisite is not in the hands of society. The majority does not yet understand or accept socialism. This is the missing key prerequisite. And this has also been the standard party line since the party was formed.The class that owns the means of production also controls the boundaries of public debate, what is deemed desirable or possible. Besides Marx, a modern book on this topic is Steven Lukes "Power"
