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This new us hawkish leaders are building a new weapon industrial complex and musk is going to finance them. The traditional manufacturer such as Boeing and Lockheed are being taken over by new wars corporations Russia is getting stronger thru brics The money given by us to Ukraine is not free it must be repaid and trump wants the rare earth for space x and electric vehicles to compete with china
The us is desperate looking for rare earth to compete with china They have troop in the Haitian border protecting those minerals instead of using civilians corporations
I have been reading and studying Marx and Engels for many years ago since I was a very young person, and I have read several of his biography and one of the best one has been written by one of his closest friend which was Franz Mehring, and several of his biographers have clearly indicated that he learned the concept of stateless society, leaderless, and freely associated labor, and according to their needs from the French anarchists when he was living in France. Before Marx and Engels became socialist they were liberal petty bourgeois, and they had blanquists conception and Engels participated in an armed uprising, before Marx became an economists, the real economist was Engels, and he was subscribed to the collapsists theory, there are many things that we do not know about Marx and the new MEGA collection will show many discoveries, and I have the 52 volumes in my personal library. I participate in this forum all the time, and I am always making research, and I will always bring topics. Read an articles published by the SPGB titled what Marx would have told to Peter Kropotkin
Also I know about music because I am a music collector since I was very young. ( known as crate digger ) I am not looking for musical pieces in you tube. I used to own thousands of LP vinyl, reel to reel, DAT, and I sold them to a store owner and most of them were classical music, instrumental, opera, jazz, Brazilian, and afro cuban music, I stream music from Tidal, and Qobuz which is losless music and I can record them on a professional recorder that I own. I was also a collector of stereo equipments such as Mcintosh and Marantz. I have been involved in the world of music for many years and it is one of my favorites hobbies .
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PD Marx and Engels used the concept of communism and socialism interchangeable, and the Communist Manifesto was not a communist documents either because it contains several reformist clauses and state capitalist clauses, and they used the name communist due to historical convenience, and the manifesto at the very beginning was called the German manifesto ( which sounds like a nationalist document ) and the specter of communism was an exaggeration made by Marx. I has been proven that several of the concepts used in the Manifesto already existed within the working class, and part of the draft was written by Engels on principles of communism. There are many things that are going to be discovered about Marx that have not been published yet. Their concept of history at the very beginning was wrong and then they changed when Lewis Morgan published his book titled the Ancient society, and his anthropological notebooks have not been studied completely yet and I am studying them. They also had conceptions similar to the MensheviksI do not think that boxing was a brutal sport all the time, it existed since pre historical times and it was a form of entertainment.
It exists in our time as a brutal and violent sport due to the intervention of the business world and the competition in order to make money and profits, and several of them have died because they have not followed certain rules established by the boxing regulators, but football is worst than boxing and it is more brutal than boxing and it has been medically proven that i produce a lot of brain damages, as a medical doctor proved that brain do not have ‘shock absorber” like some others animals
Baseball was a sport practiced by the Tainos as a community entertainment, and the US turned it into a business to produce money and profits and in order to compete many baseball players use drugs in order to excel, but it is practiced in some community as a form of family gathering and entertainment
The problem of our world is the system of profits, and several things that exist in capitalism might exist also in socialism under a different approach, and it is up to the majority of the peoples to keep them or to eliminate them, it is not up to the desires of one or several individuals to decide the future society, even more, we can not make a blueprint of the future society, we do not even know what form of organization the world working class is going to use, we do not have the keys to the paradise, we are not the Moses that is going to take the working class to the promised land
We can not kill all the venomous snakes because they can kill human beings when poison is also used for medical treatments, and surgical procedures, an antidote, opium is also used for medical treatment, and it was also used many years ago to treat pain produced by syphilis, the same case is for cannabis it can be used for medical treatment and the plant can be used for industrial production, in the past they were making medications based on cocaines, and human beings have been using herbs and plants for many years which are prohibited in our time, and pharmacology comes from herbs and plants.
The same thing is with atomic plant and atomic power, it can be safely used without the production of profits and to cut corners, they can be designed based on human safety and protection, the key word is mutual collaboration, and mutual sharing among human beings, and the decision of the majority, and value of use is the only thing that is going to prevail, we are not going to eliminate atomic medicine, in the contrary it is going to be developed to produce better treatment, better equipment and better safety, even more, it is going to be one of the paradigm of medicine, as well, regenerative medicine is going to be developed, we might develop new organs, or repair damaged organs, and stem cell research has been blocked by the religious leaders, we are going to gave religious peoples in a socialist society, it is going to become a problem of personal incumbency
Many cultures are going to learn from other cultures by the elimination of nationalism and patriotism, we can learn from the experiences of the peasants who are the best agronomist, even more, agronomy evolved from the experiences of the peasants and small farmers, and capitalism applied mechanization to the agricultural production, it is going to be used in socialist society to produce more foods and more efficiency, we are going to learn from the workers located at the most advanced countries, at the present Mexican peasants are being kicked out from the USA but they are the most experienced agricultural workers, even more GMO seeds might also be used in a socialist society under a different approach in order to produce more foods, to avoid plant diseases, it would be up to the majority of the associated world farmer to use them, because it is be going managed under a different system without the concept of profit
We can not make a blueprint of the future society, and I think that Karl Marx did not do it either
paula.mcewan
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What this forum needs are more topics on real socialist issues, and topics related to the needs of the world working class.( World Socialist Movement ) Win music workers do not pay rent, utilities, education, and groceries. I was a crate diggers and I am still a music collector and I had a large collection of LP vinyl that I sold to a collector and a record store owner, but I made money by selling them
We should have continued studying the works of Marx and Engels. In the past we had a thread for socialist party speakers
According to my understanding, we only have one music thread and it was moved to off topic and some of the music that
I posted were erased which is discriminationMusic is more than protest music and the so called socialist music which is only a fetichism.
I will not go to a night club to dance that kind of music
Classical music, opera, jazz , etc is also music for listening and enjoyment
“Why are we allowing the ICC to advertise their meetings here? I think it was a previous moderator who made the decision, based on the idea that we are part of the “thin red line”.”
Unless something changed after I left, belonging to a supposed “thin red line” was never a requirement for being able to post in the forum, or this section specifically. As explained in the section description; “Such postings do not imply political approval of, or agreement with, the SPGB. Inappropriate posts may be deleted.”
Knowing about meetings of other groups is a useful thing. Surely you would want to talk to these people, at least sometimes?
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We publish articles in the websites of others political organizations.
I have two forum where ICC participate in the discussions
I know two leftist organizations who have translated two of our articles and they distributed them in the internet
An ex member of the ICC ( CCI ) is a member of the World Socialist Movement.
“Maybe the Party should get into Tiktok or something..”
Yes the party should be doing that kind of thing. But not without some kind of connected strategy behind it.
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I have been all over except the moon and nothing has happened. I have invested time, published thousands of articles, books, pamphlets, commentaries, recording, and workers do not care anything about socialism/communism, their minds is in something else which is to worship capitalism and populists leaders
History repeats itself in a different way:
Donald Trump government is the culmination of many imperialist actions tried and implemented by others US president, including leaders and politicians from both political parties.
Trying to purchase or take over Greenland is not new, even more the USA has a military base in Greenland since WW2, in the same manner that they have a military base in Guantanamo since the US/Spanish war. They never left from Japan and Germany
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_United_States_acquisition_of_Greenland
George Washington also tried to take over Haiti, and they took over the Islands of Culebras and Vieques to build a military base which is contaminated with led and uranium, and the population is suffering from uncurable diseases, and the fauna has mutated
The history of the US is based on fairy tales, and anly a few historians have written the real history, and most peoples have not read them
The history of Hawaii is also based on fairy tales. That land was taken from the Hawaiian natives in order to build military bases, and white settlers were sent from the continental US to take over lands and natural resources
Panama territory was taken from the Great Colombia in order to build the canal and to establish a military base
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/22/native-hawaiians-wait-decades-return-colonized-land-state-failure
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_United_States_acquisition_of_Greenland#:~:text=the%2021st%20century.-,Territorial%20expansion,larger%20than%20the%20Louisiana%20Purchase.The US was going to be a small nation surrounded by a French and a Spanish republic, but the capitalist expansion created a large republic controlling half of a continent.
The whole earth has been divided by the capitalist class in order to build imaginary lines and borders known as nations and they have injected a mental poison known as nationalism and patriotism
Ethnic cleansing in Gaza and removing the Palestinian is not new and Donald Trump is not the only that has promoted that plan
https://new.finalcall.com/2025/02/10/u-s-uk-were-aware-of-israels-plan-for-forced-transfer-of-palestinians-from-gaza-to-egypt-report/. To remove the Palestinian from Gaza is an old plan and the US and UK were part of the plan. History is a good tool and that is the reason why the capitalists want to eliminate historical education
In a socialist society we are going to inherit many things from the capitalist society, it is not going to be a perfect society but it will be much better than the capitalist society.
In regard to atomic power plant, the problem is not the atomic energy per se, the problem is the production of profits, and the capitalist do not care about contamination as long as their are able to produce profits,
In a socialist society we are going to have the choice to eliminate it or to continue using it under better conditions by the decision made by the whole world working class
I do not think that peoples leave because they have disagreement with the principles of the socialist party, many who have left continue supporting the socialist party, the problem is that they have had differences with others members, specially with members of the so called organizing committee, and we are following the same path of the socialist labor party of America
Correction:
Panama was not only used to transport commodities thru the Panama Canal. It was also the country where the School of the Americas was created, and it was used to train military, terrorists and torturers, and it was a catapult to launch invasion to others Latin American countries, the so called military advisers were used to control those nations and to promote coup, military coup and palace couphttps://revcom.us/en/a/445/american-crime-91-school-of-the-americas-en.html
Panama was not only used to transport commodities thru the commodities. It was also the country where the School of the Americas existed and used to train military, terrorists and torturers
https://revcom.us/en/a/445/american-crime-91-school-of-the-americas-en.html
ste finch
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In DJP’s link, at around 2mins30secs we get a clear explanation from a US senator of the need for ‘humanitarian aid’ – it’s about attempting to protect raw materials supplies, trade routes etc. Who’d have thought it?
==============================================================================================================All that crap about undermining USA democracy for the peoples is false, the founders of the USA never believed in the rules of the majority, they were also a bunch of oligarchy, the domination of an oligarchy in the USA is not new, it is more than 200 years old, Joe Biden made a new discovery and he is part of that class.
To dismantle and to eliminate federal agencies is nothing new, it has existed before the time of Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump is the culmination of that process, it just proves what has been said by the socialist party that taxation place a heavy burden on the profits of the capitalist class, the idea about workers being a taxpayer is just a USA fallacy to make workers believe that they are part of the capitalist state and they control the government and that politicians and presidents are their employees.
The capitalist state is the executive apparatus that exists in order to manage the affairs of the capitalist class, and a capitalist society without a state is only an illusion, and there are some anarcho capitalists who support Donald Trump, that is the reason why he is a buddy of the president of Argentina, they following the same route of Argentina. Pensions and retirements are just deferred salary and they are part of the class struggle, it is not a right or gift from the state, and entailment, they also place heavy burden on the capitalist profits and the USA is becoming a society of elderly peoples.
All that thing about Panama, Greenland, Gaza, and the USAID is only a show, a distraction from the real purpose which is capitalist expansions and struggle for world hegemony against China and Russia, and the struggle for mining and raw materials, Ellon Musk and the USA capitalists class need raw materials, specially rare earth, and the Latin America region has what they want in order to be used for the modern technological industry including space ships, electric cards, and chips. If the USA wants to apply to itself the slogan from the river to the sea in the Middle East, it will need an army that they do not have and might be defeated again like in Iraq and Afghanstan
The whole east cost of Latin America, has lithium, cobalt and other rare earth and Orinoco basin has everything that they need including gold and petroleum, as well, Joe Biden was doing secretive talks with the government of Venezuela in order to lift certain restrictions and Chevron obtained several permits to be able to export oil toward the USA, the release of prisoners is not deal made by Trump is part of the process initiated by Trump and the agreement was signed in Qatar and it was published by the Venezuelan government.
The new government of Chile made a big campaign about nationalizing the lithium and the Cooper and putting it in the hands of the peoples and it was only a show, that raw materials belong to very powerful corporations, there are rare earth in the Dominican Republic and Haiti, and they are sending they new emissary and hawk known as Marco Rubio to protect those natural resources for the USA corporations and the USA is trying to become the leader on chips production. They confiscated two presidential planes of Venezuela like pirates, but it is part of their struggle against those governments that are allied with China and Rusia, and China does not control the Panama Canal, and if they do, it has been the decision of the government of Panama who owns the canal, and the USA pushed a revolt in order to build the canal when Panama was part of the Great Colombia, the used the tactic that was used in order to take the territory of Texas
It is known for many years that the USAID has double purposes, one is presenting itself as an agency of humanitarian aid, and the other one is in order to impose the USA purpose in Latin America and the third world country, to promote coup, and armed government that have been placed by them in power, and in the old days it was part of the struggle with the soviet union, against the so called communism, and against Cuba, Several journalists were also in the payroll of the USAID and now it has been exposed
https://en.granma.cu/mundo/2020-02-21/usaid-thieves-in-latin-america
