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ParticipantBobby Moore ought to have been around in the early 1980’s. Cruise missiles at Greenham Common, Protect and Survive Booklets, one documentary and drama after another dealing with the delights of atomic warfare, SPGBer’s touring the land giving variations of the Is a Third World War Inevitable? lecture. I heard it from Cde. Skelton ( who always put me in mind of Esme Cannon). And there even an item on the teatime ITN news which entertained us with a description of the effects of a one-megaton airburst over central London ( it would ruin every Londoner’s day ). And we didn’t get the usual warning: the following programme may not be suitable for those of a nervous disposition!
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ParticipantRobbo is dead right of course, British and American Bolsheviks ( and Socialists ) who have gone over to become cheerleaders for capitalism are legion. My old mate McDonagh started out in the SPGB and ended up calling himself a Cobdenite Liberal. Mind you he was a nutcase. (McDonagh I mean, not Cobden ).
On the other hand, have you noticed if you meet a conservative toe-rag at seventeen you can put the mortgage on him still being a conservative toe-rag at seventy.
If there is one thing to be said for conservatives, they are consistent.chelmsford
ParticipantFor the sake of argument let us say Russia overruns all of the Ukraine. The US and Europe have up to now lent the Ukraine over a hundred billion dollars. With Russia in control that sum would be lost. The west have to stick with it to whatever grisly end to ensure it gets it’s money back. This may involve limited atomic fisticuffs.
The US entered the first Great War because J P Morgan had lent the British and French governments a billion dollars, and at one point it looked as though Germany might win, so the american working-class were sent in
to save Morgan’s money. The same thing will happen in the Ukraine with potentially unpleasant results.
So Moo has every right to be nervous.chelmsford
ParticipantMy old mate McDonagh would argue ( to anyone who would listen ) that, yes, America and Russia have enough atomic weaponry to wipe out the whole human race, but you can say the same thing about kitchen knives.
There is something deeply unsound about this argument but I’ve never been able to put me finger on it.
In my humble judgement Moo old boy, I wouldn’t go making any long term plans if I were you. The capitalist class might not like the idea of a world war, but those in government might see things differently, and they have far more autonomy than SPGB thinking ( merely the executive of the ruling class ) allows.chelmsford
ParticipantPerhaps a week is a long time in politics. But one could go further.
Commander Shore: Anything can happen in the next half-hour!
‘Genocide’, another word being devalued by over and mis-use. The Israeli army is not looking to murder every last person calling themselves Palestinian.
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ParticipantWhat a pity capitalist society is not even more murderous than it actually is – think of all the many more leafleting opportunities it would provide!
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ParticipantIf Starmer goes into the next General Election with the same poncified haircut he is sporting in that second film clip either he wont stand a chance or he will walk it.
No accounting for the taste of the working-class electorate.chelmsford
ParticipantBegging the question ‘occurs when an argument’s premises assume the truth of the conclusion, instead of supporting it’.
You probably mean ‘prompts’ or some variation.
This will earn a rebuke from a moderator but the misuse is everywhere.chelmsford
ParticipantThe causes of war in capitalism are economic. The economic advantages to the US Israel and Iran should they fight will be immense. Immense! Off hand I can’t think what they will be but they will definitely be immense.
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ParticipantAt the risk of offending a touchy, thin-skinned moderator, this thread – sort of sing-a-long-a-socialism is it?
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ParticipantAll the best to our Lizzie for the forthcoming trip to south america and the antipodes. Glad to hear she has overcome her own cost-of-living crisis!
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ParticipantThis anonymous clan of slack-jawed neanderthals have cost Danny Lambert the election, yet if he were to have them all shot, HE would go to jail. That’s democracy for you!
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ParticipantIf I were to point out there were no premiership footballers in the thirties would that be taken as an attack on moo? If so, I wont say it.
September 23, 2023 at 10:28 am in reply to: Will sport & competitive games exist in socialism? #247043chelmsford
ParticipantHave you ever stood on the touchline among a group of parents watching their ten-year-old boys playing football? If anything, Almamater understates his case.
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ParticipantIn my humble judgement this whole Brand thingy has been cooked up by the Tory press and others simply to allow our Lizzie to have yet another pop at the SPGB.
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