Bijou Drains
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“Nobody is suggesting that Freud or Marcuse were correct in everything they said any more than Marx was.”
We might not agree with everything Marx said but we agree with the basics of the Marxian argument. The basic elements of Freud’s work, his model of the mind, his view of psychosexual development is demonstrably wrong. That doesn’t mean that he got everything wrong, just a large proportion of it and most of the foundations of his work.
Bijou DrainsParticipantI think that psychology and Marx have very clear links. However psychology and psychoanalysis are two different things.
To me Freud had some pretty interesting insights and the concepts of the unconscious mind, defence mechanisms, transference and projection, catharsis and trauma are useful starting points, however compartmentalisation of the brain/mind into the ID, Ego and Superego, his psychosexual stages, etc. etc. have not aged well.
In 1996, the journal “Psychological Science” reached the conclusion that, “There is literally nothing to be said, scientifically or therapeutically, to the advantage of the entire Freudian system or any of its component dogmas.” I agree.
Bijou DrainsParticipantQuite why seemingly rational and thoughtful people place such emphasis on the work of Freud, escapes me. Yes he came up with some thought provoking ideas, his view of the conscious and the unconscious was very interesting and opened up areas for discussion, but a good deal of his main work was unscientific, conjecture.
The Oedipus and Electra complex is quite clearly a way to fit the “facts” to meet the needs of the theory. Even if it was correct (but it isn’t) the whole approach is based on the late Victorian upper middle class social structure which was a small part of societal structure for a small window in history. Most families did not live like that then, didn’t live like that in the past and don’t live like that in the future.
Take the Little Hans study, what a whole load of horse shit (sic). Little lads play with their diddlers, big deal, they’re interesting, you can piddle up the wall you can squirt them about, what’s not to like. It doesn’t mean they want to murder their father and have sex with their mother. If little girls had diddlers, they’d piss up the wall as well.
Rutter wrote about Bowlby that “Bowlby himself in his first volume was very firm in terms of the importance of psychoanalysis in what he wrote but in 1988 he said that psychoanalysis was never more wrong than in its theory of child development, so he became more distant from psychoanalysis, in some ways and not others. He, like me, remained positive about mental mechanisms but he regarded the theory of psychosexual stages as “total bunk” and it was. “Total bunk”; those are my words, not his but that is more or less what he thought.” Couldn’t put it better myself.
Bijou DrainsParticipantForgot:
Who Killed Liddle – The Angelic UpstartsBijou DrainsParticipantWe’ve gotta get out of this place – The Animals
Won’t get fooled again- The Who
Police and Thieves – The Clash (Junior Murvin)
Left us to burn – The Daintees
Ghost Town – The Specials
Ohio – Neil Young
What’s Going On – Marvin GayeHeard all of them at various discos
Bijou DrainsParticipantA very different political viewpoint, but some fantastic music. Will miss Mr Harley, must have seen him 20 or so times live
Bijou DrainsParticipantThat’s like celebrating because you’ve only got one paper cut on your bell end
Bijou DrainsParticipantHi imposs1904,
If, as I understand, you are currently in the US and cannot access BBC iplayer, you can purchase a VPN (there are some free ones as well), then set the vpn to the UK. You can then stream BBC player programmes. I use this technique to access Gaelic Games coverage through the RTE player. Apologies if I am teaching my granny to suck eggs.Bijou DrainsParticipantIn fact he is actually stating that he is prepared to use them. If any of the nuclear powers had the weapons and stated that they were not prepared to use them, it would be pretty stupid thing for them to say.
I can’t work out what line the Independent is taking, the main owner is the son of a Russain oligarch, although there seems to be an anti Putin approach. Either way I don’t trust them
Bijou DrainsParticipantAnd Prefab Sprout weren’t even the best band on Kitchenware!
Bijou DrainsParticipantI don’t think the SPGB was wrong from 1904. Although large areas of the world were not industrialised (parts of China and parts of Russia actually had moved over to capitalist production), large areas of the world had (most of Northern Europe, North America, parts of South America and AUstralia, New Zealand, etc).
At that point a very large proportion of the goods being produced in the world were being produced either as part of capitalist production or directly by capitalist producers. Raw materials may well have been produced in underdeveloped countries, however the ways in which they were produced was based on the key elements of waged labour, as opposed to peasant production.
If in the early 20th Century the working class of the countries of the capitalist countries wished to institute a system of production for use, within the then existing scope of the areas where capitalism existed, this would not have been “Socialism in one Country” but Socialism in very many countries, within which practically all of the goods and services required in this area of the world were produced within the same area. Therefore those living within those parts of the world, production for use woud ahve been possible.
Yes, there would have been challenges facing such as situation in terms of industrialisation of large areas of the world, but I am pretty sure that this wouldn’t have resulted in the catastrophic slaughter that came as a result of the state capitalist system in places like China and Russia, or the private capitalist system in India and other areas of the world.
Bijou DrainsParticipantAnd another one from Frankie which starts:
And if these words you do not heed
Your pocketbook just kinda might recede
When some man comes along and claims a godly need
He will clean you out right through your tweedBijou DrainsParticipantA Frank Zappa classic which starts with the fantastic first verse:
Some take the bible
For what it’s worth
When it says that the meek
Shall inherit the Earth
Well, I heard that some sheik
Has bought New Jersey last week
‘N you suckers ain’t gettin’ nothin’Bijou DrainsParticipantA quote from the article is quite illuminating, Nick Long, from the Transform Party said –
“I’ve been active in Lewisham politics for many years. My differences with the Workers Party are over traffic calming, they are not in favour of ULEZ [Ultra Low Emission Zones] and they want to increase traffic speeds to 30mph.”
So that’s what “left wing” politics has descended to, not the nature of the welfare state, or what industries to nationalise, or the old chestnuts they used to trot out, it’s speed limits!
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Bijou DrainsParticipantA strange bedfellow even for Gorgeous George!!
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