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Hmmm TN, as I thought puerile, childish insults, you really do need to try harder.
But at least we know you won’t be “relying” on Grover Furr’s spurious and laughable “research” to support your pseudo Stalinist viewpoints.
Amazing isn’t it True Narcissist, as soon as the debate becomes difficult for you you’re suddenly cry out that posts are off topic.
I suppose it makes a change from childish name calling.
The fact of the matter is and what is plain for everyone to see is that you have no response to the criticism of Grover Furr’s ludicrous claims.
Even Grover Furr admits that mass deaths and repression occurred during the years of the great purge.
“The repression unleashed in July 1937 had mown down nearly 750,000 men, women and children by the end of 1938.” Furr however claims: ‘Yezhov’s own confessions prove that Stalin and the Soviet leadership were not responsible for his mass executions’ (p. 107 Yezhov v Stalin by Grover Furr).
Of course Yehzov “admitted” that he had been a “German Agent” since 1932 and that all of the deaths were part of a plot to destabilise the USSR.
This begs the question, if Stalin didn’t know about purges and that the USSR was a well developed democracy, why then did no one think to mention to Stalin that 3/4 million people had disappeared and been shot?
It also begs the question why did Stalin not order a big investigation into this “German Plot” rather than the action he actually took, discreetly having Yehzov shot immediately after his trial without any major publicity.
A cynic might think that Stalin might have got Yehzov to do his dirty work and then had him disposed of alongside evidence of Stalin’s culpability.
An even bigger cynic might think that Stalin didn’t carry out an investigation into the “German Plot” because Stalin and his chums were knee deep in collusion with the Nazis! Remember in 23 June 1939, Hitler and Stalin had signed a ten-year non-aggression pact with a secret protocol for partitioning Poland.
If anyone thinks that Grover Furr (specialist subject Medieval English Literature) is a credible author, reading his books will be enough to change your mind.
Solzhenitsyn was sent to the Labour camp for criticising Stalin and suggesting a change in government. You say that was appropriate as it was a time of emergency and the USSR was at war.
By that logic the British voters who ousted Churchill should have been put in a Labour camp.
You say that Stalin was not culpable.
If the verdicts of the show trials were correct, then he appointed to power a myriad of Trotskyists, pro capitalist agents and later fascist spies.
Stalin directly appointed into positions of power the following:Yehzov
Yagoda
Bukharin
Rykov
Antipov
Syrtsov
SulimovTo name just a few there were hundreds of direct Stalin appointees who were arrested and killed during the Great Purge.
If the verdicts were correct, Stalin’s complete lack of judgement on who to promote, appoint and support, must make Stalin the biggest threat to the Soviet system.
Stalin’s history is littered with people he had appointed and were described glowingly by Stalin (we have contemporary reports from the CPGB saying this in our archives). These same appointees ended up with death sentences for various forms of treachery.
Solzhenitsyn is a bit of a riddle for True Narcissist to unravel.
In the Gulag under TNs hero Stalin, released by TNs nemesis Khrushchev, exiled by Brezhnev and then rehabilitated by Putin.Solzhenitsyn once declared, “Over a half century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of old people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: ‘Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened. Since then I have spent well-nigh 50 years working on the history of our revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval. But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: ‘Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened.'”
This is the guy lionised by Putin. He also praised Putin saying “Russia was rediscovering what it meant to be Russian.”
So TN was it correct for Stalin to put Solzhenitsyn in the Gulag or was Putin right to say that his treatment was “evil”. Is your contention that Putin’s government is a continuation of the Bolshevik tradition or is Putin’s view that Lenin was a great disaster for the Russian people correct. Is the elevation of the the Russian Orthodox Chuch the correct path or was the abolition of the Orthodox Church by the Bolsheviks the way forward. Final question for TN, do you know your arse from your elbow?
György Faludy’s memoir of his time in a Hungarian Stalinist labour camp (My Happy Days in Hell) made the point well. The labour camp guards he was held in had been recruited by the Hungarian Communist Party because they had previous relevant experience – working in the Fascist concentration camps.
No doubt if TN gets his dream of “De Nazifying” the Ukraine, the “Nazis” better brush up their cvs, they’ll be much sought out by the new regime.
What was it Pete Townshend said? “Meet the new boss, the same as the old boss!”
Hi Allen (sic)
Just a quick note to explain that I specifically stated that [moderator deleted].
However, as the issue has been raised, I think his ability to manage to spell you name correctly (given that it is spelt correctly in your user name) may be pertinent for others to take into consideration in their musings as to whether or not [moderator deleted] I of course shall remain silent on the issue
Thomas More:
I think it is important to realise that for TN, this is not really a political question. TN is not active in a political party (at least he has never stated which political party he is a member of, despite being asked this on several occasions), he does not actively campaign for any political organisation (from what anyone can see from his posts).
His support for Putin and the other despots he fawns over is not a political act, it’s really just an extension of his need to feel powerful and to reinforce his self esteem (which on the surface appears to be high and which he likes to feel is high, but we and he all know is cripplingly low). Being associated with powerful groups allows TN to feel some of the reflected “glory” of the sociopaths he so admires.
This is evidenced by the fact that he has been exposed on several occasions by his lack of understanding of the basic theoretical constructs of Marxism. He has dismissed the work of Engels as “just a load of quotes”, outside of Marxist thought he has recently been shown to have no understanding of Lenin’s theory of Imperialism (see recent posts) , he knows nothing of the work of Mao, Stalin etc, he is unaware of the nature of the Sino – Soviet split and the impact of this on his claim to support both sides of the split, he has no answer to the questions raised about the Molotov Von Ribbentrop pact or the fact that the “great” Stalin was happy to supply a wide variety of goods and arms to the Nazis he so despises. He commits schoolboy errors regarding facts and figures (for example dismissing the BBC and then using an out of date BBC report to support his claims) the list goes on.
Those of us who remember TN first emerging on the forum might remember that his first few posts, which were about China, came from a starting position that he assumed that we would support his views regarding the Chinese “Communist” Party. This demonstrates how lazy he is, how little research he does and really how little he even knows about parties that describe themselves as Socialist. Considering the myriad of parties who describe themselves as Socialist, how many can you think of that would support the Chinese “Communist” Party?
In summary TN claims to support the regimes he outlines so that he can look big and powerful and perhaps in the vain hope that someone will find him windswept and interesting.
It’s a bit like the kids, back in the day, that claimed to be anarchists because they had listened to a Sex Pistols song and had put a safety pin through their noses. Or perhaps like a supposed football fan who doesn’t know how the offside rule!
One of the defining characteristics of people with Narcissistic Personality Disorder is the need to be acknowledged as being correct in the things that they say. In general those with NPD will brow beat family, friends and colleagues until they just give in and say that the narcissist is correct (even though both parties know that it is a hollow acknowledgement). Alternatively they will develop controlling and coercive interpersonal relationships (often with vulnerable partners), which force their relationship partners to agree with view and opinions.
The thing that TN is really struggling with is the fact that on this forum he isn’t getting any admiration or even positive feedback. He feels he isn’t getting all of the acknowledgement he should for displaying his “pearls of wisdom”, and this frustrates him. To his mind we should bow down before him, or at least bow down to his powerful sociopathic heroes. He cannot acknowledge the fact that Putin’s invasion has not worked out as plan, he is still convinced that the Russian Army will overwhelm its enemies and the purge of Ukrainian Nazis will begin. Ironically it’s rather like Hitler’s call from the bunker to call for the non-existent Steiner Detachment to drive the Soviets out of Berlin!
This presentation is a typically narcissistic response. A guy who I worked with insisted that he hadn’t been sectioned; he was only in the secure hospital because he chose to be there and that he could walk out whenever he wanted to. Another, who had committed a number of murders, insisted that the figure was much higher and that several members of his family (who clearly were alive) were actually dead.
In many ways whilst we should be hostile to TN’s deeply anti working class rhetoric (they cannot be described as views or opinions) I genuinely feel we should also as human beings have some sympathy for his plight. People with this presentation very rarely seek out any form of support and or treatment.
What I would sincerely say to TS, it is possible for someone with narcissistic personality to develop new coping skills, improve relationships, and decrease distress levels. The myth that therapy can’t help people with narcissistic personality largely stems from the fact that many never actually seek such help. They might not even be aware they need it.
Therapeutic approaches such as Schema Therapy, Dialectical Behavioural Therapy and Gestalt Therapy have shown good results and may be something to be considered.
BD – “it would be reasonable to estimate using the official Russian death figures that 15,000 Russian and allied soldiers will have died.”
True Narcissist states “I would agree with those mumbers. The Ukrainians on the other hand have lost at least 100,000 dead possibly much higher. Ukrainian losses are unsustainable, Russian losses are not. That is why Russia will win and decisively”
Big difference is that I made it clear that I the estimate based on questionable data made from Russian sources. Making clear that the even the figures Russian agencies have put forward are very high, in comparison to other conflicts, using data to back this up.
The Narcissistic one has merely grabbed a figure from his fertile imagination with no comparable use of figures. A first year undergraduate submitting shite like that would get their head in their hands to play with, if they did that. [moderator deleted] I’ll let others make their own minds up on that issue.
TN can’t even be arsed to check the information from the Russian goverment sources re deaths from the Russian side.
5,987 killed between 24th Feb to 21st September – Russia’s Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu 21st Sept 2022
This did not include deaths from forces from the Luhansk PR Forces and Donetsk PR forces which have been reported as follows:
Donetsk PR deaths 3,833 reported by Donetsk PR official figues up to 17th November
Luhanks PR deaths 1,745 reported by Luhansk PR officials up to 1st November
That brings a total “official” death toll of nearly 12,000 deaths, without counting Russian deaths from 21st Sept. With over 3 months left of the year (if the war continues) it would be reasonable to estimate using the official Russian death figures that 15,000 Russian and allied soldiers will have died.
In comparison the number of US deaths in the Vietnam war was 58,281 during the 9 years of US full involvment with the war. An average of roughly 6,500 deaths per year. The official total deaths for the 10 year Soviet Afghan war was 14,453.
If the Afghan was was described as the Soviet Vietnam, how to describe the level of carnage described if even the lowest figures for deaths is accepted, is beyond me.
And TS thinks these deaths and the deaths on the other side are worthwhile to keep wheels of profit turning.
TN also refuses to answer my question about the possibility of NATO being reformed to become a vehicle for anti imperialism.
MS – “I do not think that he had read Lenin book on Imperialism and Bahrain book on Imperialism who is more accurate than Lenin, or Rosa Luxembourg on the accumulation of capital. ”
To be honest, MS, I’m not sure if he’s even read a single book. Maybe coloured in one or two, and maybe the occasional dot to dot, but a proper full book, not bloody likely.
BD – “Many of the countries in Nato have no significant history of what you would describe as imperialism (for example Poland”
Hahahahahahahahahahaha!
You seem to think that a history of colonialism in the 17th Century equates to Imperialism!!!
Can I just quote (I know you hate quotes) Your hero Lenin’s definition of imperialism – “If it were necessary to give the briefest possible definition of imperialism, we should have to say that imperialism is the monopoly stage of capitalism”.
So you think that either you think that the monolpoly stage of capitalism was achieved in 17th Century Poland, or you have no great understanding of the theoretical basis of the ideological construct you claim to support. I know which one my money is on.
Moving on from your clear and obvious lack of understanding of the ideology you support, the main thrust of my question is “in the terms of your desire to create a muti polar world wide system, do you think that NATO has any possible capability to be transformed into an anti imperialist force which could support your desired outcome?
