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SocialistPunk wrote:Ozzy can admit when he's made an error, so can I. Such a shame some have such difficulty.
I agree with you entirely, and in the unlikely event that I am ever actually wrong about something, I'm sure I will be able to admit it (probably)
Surely many "self employed" workers are nothing but wage slaves in fancy dress. Many are working for employers who are exploiting their labour power in exactly the same way as waged workers, just with less employment protection.
I think the way forward is for the AV committee (whoever that might currently constitute, I'm honestly not that sure) is to quickly develop a set of guidelines for the production of party Videos, seeking professional advice if necessary, taking account issues such as copyright, liable, etc.. Ensure that the EC and if necessary conference agree to those guidelines for the production of Part Videos and then get on with making videos and helping those who want to make videos, make those videos in line with Party procedures.I think that as things stand I am the AV Committee, so I will begin that process by clarifying with the Gen Sec if that is the case. Begin the work and if necessary seek funding from the AV for technical/legal support.If the guidelines can be prepared for approval for the November EC meeting, then that should ensure that videos, acceptable to the party in general can be produced by those members who wish to.Any constructive comments would be welcome.
Another issue that nobody seems to have considered is the Bosman ruling in the European Court of Justice. In this and other cases the European Court holds precident. Does that precident continue after Brexit?
lindanesocialist wrote:A branch is not divided by holding different opinions but I appreciate I shouldn't have used the word 'divided' , I appreciate your comments re video SP Can anyone confirm if the party is open to prosecution re my post 204 above?as far as I'm aware, copyright matters are usually a civil law issue and only rarely have criminal consequences
Perhaps a sensible way forward would be to set up a working party to produce a brief for the AV committee 9and perhaps the SSPC) with regards to the use of materials used in videos, the SS, etc.Or better still pay a professional organisation to come in and give us a full brief of what we can do, what we can't, where we should apply for permission, etc. (I am sure there are companies who have these ready as off the shelf documents). If we ensure that these service providers are fully competent and have full liability insurance. That way, if we follow their guidance and something crops up, then we have fall back to the liability insurnace provided by company that gave us the guidance. That might be a far better approach than relying on our own interepretation of the legal situation.
Well I've got to say mate , if the one on the right is your sister in law, any chance of an introduction "ding bloody dong". If she played her cards right she could be the future Mrs Kilgallon.
lindanesocialist wrote:He is referring to this account as being a sockpuppet , referring to vin and myself as trolls. He is bringing into question the intergrity both of us. His own post OP is by his own definition 'trolling' and it is a technique he uses to avoid direct reference to a member., while launching an attack. He is attempting to sow discord and provoke an emotional response, in this case he is the troll.In no way can this account set up be described as a 'sockpuppet' . Both Vin and I attended online branch meetings and everyone is/was aware of what is going on. Indeed member encouraged it: SP ALB, TIM etc A member of the party arguing for change should not be referred to as a troll.Bill Martin should withdraw his implied attack on the two members's integrity or be suspended from the forum.Vin and LindaI've got to say Linda & Vin, if YMS is having a pop at you, which is by no means certain. You can't really complain (neither could I if I felt it was directed to me, by the way). If you are prepared to use sarcasm you can't really complain when it comes back your way. YFSTim
LBird wrote:robbo203 wrote:By default if not be design the "truth" of any particular scientific theory is likely to be a matter of interest and concern to only a small minority though one or two meta-theories might well attract wider interest. Lets be honest anf frank about this.Honest and frank?You might as well say to any workers just starting to take an interest in socialism, science, and its possibilities, 'Fuck off, thickoes, and leave it all to your betters!'That would be 'honest and frank' about robbo's political views.
Off you go again using sophisms and fallacy to back up your argument. Robbo clearly isn't saying that any worker taking an interest in Socialism, science and it's possibilities might as well be told to fuck off. What he iaying is that it is likely that many areas of science are likely to be of little interest to many people. A classic example of your use of the straw man fallacy. You have asked on a previous thread why I don't engage with you seriously, here lies your answer, your repeated use of fallacious logic, time and time again.Incidentally as part of a degree I was taking I was required to undertake a study of holly leaf miners. they are the larvae of Agromyzidae flies and feed exclusively on holly leaves. there are various theories about their life cycle, and I must say after several months of studying these larvae, I couldn't give a flying fuck about them, the flies they become and any theory as to their existance. In a socialist society I can't imagine a situation where I could give a toss about them either, I'm fairly sure that many millions, if not billions have a similar view of the holly leaf miner. I fear many abstentions in your science referenda.
Hi StephenNot a problem and I accept that at times my sarcstic approach can be annoying. As a child Cde Kilgallon senior used to say to me "If you can't think of anything nice to say don't say anything at all", which was ususally followed by several weeks of complete silence on my behalf, whilst I desperately tried to think of something nice to say.
alanjjohnstone wrote:Quote:As an ex trade union rep/steward, would you have found acceptable a management procedure that involved an apeeal/review against a disciplinary matter or a dismissal, being undertaken by a panel which contained the manager whose decision was being reviewed?This issue is being addressed, Tim. It has not been neglected. As a union negotiator, you know you wait until the negotiations are finished before presenting them. You also know, they are rarely speedy.
To be fair Alan, I wasn't asking that question as part of negotiation process, I was asking a straight question, which is would you have accepted that process or would you have objected to it , it really is a yes or no question.
