alien1
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So, knowing the kind of shitstorm saying anything remotely realistic about the situation of US/NATO’s war on Russia engenders I invite you to listen to a real military/political analyst with genuine knowledge and understanding has to say. It’s short so it won’t tax anyone’s concentration span too much – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygo_5Pbp5Lc&t=122s
A little additional reading from a well respected US analyst that should help clarify: https://www.theamericanconservative.com/holding-ground-losing-war/
In reply to Wez – I would add that nowhere did I advocate support for ‘new nation states’ (or nationalism) although the ‘right to self determination’ is part of the UN Charter and self determination by individuals or cooperating communities that is not at the expense of others is surely desirable. Thank you for agreeing with some of what I had to say this time around. One of the reasons I give so little time to this forum is its instant, often, it seems, unthinking social media type dialogue. Anyway best to you.
Sorry for the confusion Alan Johnson – My question was addressed to another and not you. I did click on the reply button at the top but perhaps this is not what one is supposed to do. I know very much where you are coming from and what you do and have contributed for years. Although not intended for you I’m deeply sorry for any hurt and confusion caused to you. My warmest best wishes to you.
Good morning Wez. ‘Are you some kind of expert? Whatever happens why should the working class of that area care if they are being exploited by Ukrainian or Russian oligarchs?’ In answer to your first question; No! Just someone who has taken the time and made the effort to do what you could do as well if so inclined – to understand what is actually going on by finding reliable and generally very accurate sources. I also have contacts, ethnic Russians and others, who are living in the Donbas, some of who have been fighting (some who have died) for the past eight years against NATO backed/equipped Nazis (Azov; Right Sector; Aidar; Kraken; etc) for the right to live on the land where they were born, speak their native tongue, express their culture and not be murdered or ethnically cleansed for being filthy Russians. By the time RF forces moved into Ukraine in February more that 14000 Donbas people had been killed by ‘their’ army. Half the population were refugees in Russia. Go find the YouTube videos of Poroshenko bragging about what he was going to do with these ‘untermenchen’.
The second question ‘should the working class of that area care if they are being exploited by Ukrainian or Russian oligarchs?’ given the circumstances on the ground is about as crass as it gets. What are you suggesting, that the people/workers should lie down and allow these Nazi scum to eradicate then – a’final solution’? The US brought these people to power with the coup of 2014 – encouraged and funded/organised the attacks in the Donbas (and Kharkiv, Kherson, Odessa, Zaporozhye Oblasts) against ethnic Russians with aim of provoking Russia into military action and bringing about the collapse of the RF and its Balkanisation and exploitation by the West. As with their sanctions against Russia they badly miscalculated. Russia is strengthened and a multi-polar, as opposed to a uni-polar, capitalist world is emerging and capitalism is being given a new lease of life. So, by taking the time to understand the reality of what is going on does this indicate that I am any less a socialist than you, presumably, claim to be? Does it indicate that I am not in full agreement with what the SPGB has stood for these near 120 years? Because I have no realistic hope that there will be socialism in what short lifetime I have left to me mean that I should just give up on the dream of a better, socialist world and fade away? Answers (and any apologies) on a postcard.‘Being realistic about the US/Natostan war on Russia (as opposed to the constant stream of drivel from Western MSM – Guardian et al) does not equate with support for war.’ Hard to put it more clearly.
Good to hear the voice of realism from ‘TrueScotsman’. Being realistic about the US/Natostan war on Russia (as opposed to the constant stream of drivel from Western MSM – Guardian et al) does not equate with support for war. Understanding first and foremost that no one outside of the innermost core at the Kremlin have any idea what the plans of the RF General Staff are – no one! Understanding that Russia has pretty much controlled the ‘battle-space’ since the second day of the conflict after the Ukrainian air force and command and control virtually ceased to exist. Understanding that the Ukrainian ‘first NATO army’ trained and equipped to full NATO standards for 8 years was destroyed. Understanding the cynicism of the US/NATO leaders, who actually control and direct what the Ukrainians do in the field, by forcibly conscripting every male under 65 that they could find and drag off the streets and pushing them, untrained and severely under equipped and throwing them, as cannon-fodder, into the conflict in order to buy time for the West to train and equip a new Ukrainian NATO army comprised mainly of Nazi, NATO military personnel ‘awol’ or on ‘extended leave’ and paid for mercenaries and contractors. This ‘second NATO army’ was used for the assault on Kerson where again huge numbers were killed or wounded. In the ‘counter-attack’ in Kharkov region there were apparent Ukrainian advances. Russian social media went into melt-down at the prospect of a defeat. Keep in mind that a) no one knows the minds of the Russian General Staff, b) the Russians were well aware of the build up in the area and withdrew there scant forces in good order without loss, c) the Ukrainian’s NATO staff officers and planners have no experience of what the Russian excel at – manoeuvre warfare. The result was that they were drawn in until they came up against two obstacles – a river and the entrenched and prepared Russian defence line. Behind them lay the placid, easily crossed Inghuts River – until the Russians blew two dams. The pontoons were swept away and the cream of the Ukrainian ‘second NATO army’ was trapped in yet another classic Russian cauldron where they were easy pickings for Russian air power and artillery. Knowing that US/NATO is incapable of fighting Russia directly, (apart from Panama and Granada), name me anywhere they have gone to ‘Bring Democracy’ where they have not had their arse handed to them as they slunk out! Now Russia is moving up a gear with partial mobilisation in a war that they cannot afford to lose if everything Russian is going to survive. Only time will tell what the fate awaits NATO/Europe – as things stand the future for the West looks anything but rosy.
Good morning Alan. I’m replying on the forum (a place I rarely visit) because Janet raised your point about Russian social media knowing that I use Russian social media/web/blogs in several forms. I have come to the conclusion that there is little or no chance of finding any truthful reporting from Western MSM/social media – AlJazeera is a fine example of that having once been free to report openly all that changed once the Emir (owner) decided to bow to US pressure. Journos who had fled the likes of BBC/Guardian because their work was being censored (Robert Fisk, Johnathan Cook, John Pilger, etc etc) moved to the likes of AlJazeera and have since moved on yet again for the exact same reason – censorship/cancel culture/ propaganda! As for social media in Russia it appears to me, a user, to be very open and decidedly uncensored. On VK.com (Russian FB) the BBC, VoA and others have their feeds and post unhindered although other users largely ignore them. VK mostly learns quickly what one does or does not want and serves up the appropriate threads/feeds. Another very useful tool is Telegram where only the feeds that one subscribes to are offered. There are many real reporters who are banned or censored in the West are now there where NON of their work is censored (many of these reporters are eminently respectable/reliable). Further, these are people who actually report from, in the case of Ukraine, the frontline and the towns/cities/villages where civilian populations are under fire from weaponry supplied by NATO/EU/US. I would not want you, or others, to think that Russia is an open media utopia – I certainly do not. What I can say, categorically, is that social media in Russia is vibrant and far more open than anything in the West. People criticize and question the government from Putin to the military without censorship or, it appears, fear of retribution. What I want is access to information from ALL sides so that I can decide what I think. If one is relying solely on Western MSM/social media there is no hope of learning anything because once the lies/propaganda is exposed everything disappears down the black hole – Ukraine is a case in point. Anyway, my friend, keep on truckin’ because J and I really appreciate the contributions that you make.
We live in dangerous times – most recent statement from Russian President Putin:
“They didn’t hear what we told them. They had better hear this time.” — Vladimir Putin
“I would now like to say something very important for those who may be tempted to interfere in these developments from the outside. No matter who tries to stand in our way or all the more so create threats for our country and our people, they must know that Russia will respond immediately, and the consequences will be such as you have never seen in your entire history. No matter how the events unfold, we are ready. All the necessary decisions in this regard have been taken. I hope that my words will be heard.”Western media photographed the serial number which clearly shows the missile was from Ukrainian batch/production.
