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Sorry, slight derailment. Would you kindly provide links or reference so I can learn how Britain became as socialist as it is? Don't know the history. thank you.
See my warnings on the WSM forum about Skype, especially if they ARE owned by Microsoft (didn't catch that buy news).
STOP with the cynicism DO what you can Brand is saying it out loud, which as hardly ever done, at least here in America. All kinds of people are roused up right now because of the meltdown.
AHHH. very good. Is there anything you haven't covered, lol? Rhetorical. I though by the headline you didn't want to use it, tho Paddy wrote me u did. I will read it in depth. I'm dense sometimes. I'll get there. Thanks
I, and probably not I alone, would advocate for critical thinking as a social ideal to be taught for one thing.
LBird wrote:To be a bit provocative, surely "in a socialist/communist society people's ideas would be subject to democratic control"?To be a bit more specific, every society that has ever existed has socialised its young into acceptable forms of behaviour. If that's not 'controlling people's ideas', from the very outset of a person's existence, what is?I think that we should be open about this inescapable 'brainwashing' social process, and discuss its contents.Socialization influences ideas and behavior, yes. It hardly succeeds at brainwashing as evidenced by most of the people on this board, the amount of disagreement just here, atheism, us even considering socialism, when there's been so much attempsts at suppression of it. Just a few examples.The bottom line here is, I think, that if society's basic ideas (including respect for democratic methods and minorities) aren't under our collective control, whose control will they be under?This is a long way from 'thought-control' in the the sense that it's usually used (state control of the individual), but it's worth getting to grips with just what would be our enforced basic social ideas.All societies enforce 'ideology', and personally I think that the contents of this 'ideology' should be discussed and voted upon by all of humanity. Someone or something has to set limits – if it isn't us, it'll be 'god'.In that case, I wonder who'll interpret his/her/its thoughts?Societies regulate BEHAVIOR. I would think you'd have school boards, education dept's, democratically run, determining the curricula, not necessarily global, could be varied. However families etc, still can influence their children. "Someone or something has to set limits" Why?. if it isn't us, it'll be 'god'. does not logically follow, first of all. Not necessarily. False dichotomy.And you've completely left out the individual in all this.
"but surely, in a future socialist society, the field of democratic decision-making will have its limits" I think this point is very important and a good one.
I like this.Oprah did a show on it once, showing that there was, but basically was trying to stop individual judgement. Now here in the US when they talk about it on the media, they make it sound like a bad thing. Is that to stigmatize it like when they say socialism derogatorily or the communist witch hunts of the 50's? thanks
Ah, thank you and thank you. Yes, I love your signature alanjjohnstone. I wonder if he was ahead of his times. Would that more people thought that.
That reminds me, and feel free to move this elsewhere, the bankers responsible for the meltdown won't be prosecuted here in america, might they be in other countries ot the ICC? I see JP Morgan Chase was fined.Thanks
Please attribute your quote: "The greatest American orator for socialism once said ‘It is better to vote for what you want and not get it, than to vote for what you don’t want and get it"Where can I find more info on broad-church or multi-tendency" approach?
