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Thanks. I'll send it to all my progressive and libertarian friends so we can all get depressed.But of course we live in a free market with anti-monopoly controls.
Thank you very much. I wonder too how you know so fast when groups are Trotskiist (or any other ist), but you've been following these groups and people for a long time, yes so they are not new to you? thanks again
My point was, if we/you are trying to appeal to a mass of people, using 'worker' is misleading. Won't appeal to as many. However "Fraid even "people" has had its meaning corrupted. "We are the people" is a popular loyalist slogan in Northern Ireland and with extremist protestants in Scotland" if it's already been corrupted, which sucks, then, yes using an alternative, I guess, is better. Sigh.
Thanks rodshaw. Yes, bribery of course would be illegal with most of society enforcing. Ration, or lottery or some such or egalitarian basis for distribution. Paddy wrote something similar. Yes, you can have shortages and still have democracy and socialism. YAY!. No market develops, because we don't let it. I need to keep track of all these answers. I WAS talking about life saving medicine, but those decisions have to be made in any society. Right now there's a shortage of a raw material for a newish TB prevention drug, but they are using triage to decide distribution. As Adam says should not be based upon can't pay, can't have. Scumbags (capitalists, that is).
Do real socialists of any stripe, or real liberals or progressives, jeexz dont even know what term to use, do real human rights and equality advocates, have and kind of voice (i.e. media coverage) over there in England or Europe? Any way to say that problem is NOT immigrants?IS there any way right now to 'lift all boats' a little higher, if people were willing to enact change?Thanks
O, thanks so much for the great suggestions.Don't go to huge lengths to find the group, but if you do come across I'd appreciate it. i'm in liberal cocoon area, probably couldn't live anywhere else, but don't know of any far left radicals. Found out today my minister's wife is a registered communist tho! Hope to talk to her."Why do we have to create something new when there is already one companion party of the WSM in the USA which is the WSPUS" The USA is a big country, hun, they are in Chicago or Boston, 3000 miles (5000K?) from me. I'd like people a little closer. They also haven't answered me. It's been over a month.Jumping around a bit. Bribe with another item in shortage. You're the one not thinking outside the box. Money only represents wealth, value, get rid of money does not get rid of things of value and the problem is if there is not enough for everyone, which is the case now, true shortages, not due to capitalism. "We do not even have shortage in the capitalist society, " O so not true my friend. I worked for a subdivision of a company that had a pharmaceutical division. They wanted to make a certain product but just couldn't get enough raw materials. They just couldn't dig it out of the earth fast enough. That's just one other example. How do you handle scarcity?Unfortunately for you all, I'll keep in touch. I like you guys. Such support of my values, it's incredible: equality, diversity, reason, empiricism (sort of), knowledge, compassion. Pretty cool.
Ok, u tell me, how do you handle shortages? My example was a doctor is in high demand, very popular. He can only serve so many patients a day. Bribery begins, etc.
I'll foray around and try to find other like-minded. Occupy and Zeitgeist have groups here, so I probably can find a few.Thanks.
I like that "Yours For Positive Socialist Activity".Anyway, well I've been emailing with Paddy and Adam and should have taken it to the forums, but we didn't.So nutshell: You will end up with a market and stratification of some kind. I don't want it, but can't figure a way around it. With items that are scarce, people will develop a market, so we have to plan ahead how to keep it 'powerless'? maybe. You all disagree.The other was I didn't think possible to get most of the world on board and 'revolting' or 'sitting in' or whatever we are going to do (probably not in my lifetime unfortunately) at the same time. I've since moderated that some, it might be possible, but still a hugely difficult undertaking and they will try to stamp it out every way they can. How keep it somewhat secret until build a large enough group all over? Does one? Using electoral means, elections are rigged in parts of the U.S. even, let alone other countries. Don't see how that would be successfull unless a slow incremental increase to vastness including poll workers, lower govt etc. And if you actually wond by electoral have to make sure you have the military on board prior to that.My other question was what about those who don't want socialism? They aren't ignorant, usually better educated actually, they just know they want more. They want their chances at the gold ring. Right now in the U.S there are a lot, I have no idea how many because everyone skews the numbers, but based upon who I know and atheist forums, close to half the population. You can't have it mixed, we have to have a large majority. How get it? (Not shoot them , btw).Last one I think was keeping a police force in check. Some of you think it won't be necessary. I strongly disagree. Ok, that enough? lol
Yes, only cursory view so far, but first response is we are not ready yet. Many more people, globally, have to get on board. It doesn't have to be violent, or probably not much. I am also not a pacifist, but want lasting success. A violent overthrow would only set us up to be ruled again (by the people with the weapons).It's easy to be impatient and want change now (and I'm a tired, middle-aged woman, not testosterone filled young man), especially when all the horrors have been in my face the last few days, but success is more important.We have to convince the lulled, the religious looking to god and the pacifists, tho they can participate and not have to violate their ethics. Then there are people who haven't much concept of freedom and human rights. Much more to do.
Well thought out. Thank you much. So I’m not a syndicalist. Arrgghh (pulls hair out). What am I?If it were to be rewritten though, I would consider“since they will be composed of non-socialists as well as of socialists. In fact at the present time, when the working class does not yet want and understand socialism, the overwhelming majority of trade unionists will inevitably be non-socialist and hence non-revolutionary.”I think a better way to look at that is functional. A trade union function has it’s hands full dealing with union issues and is limited by and to that primarily, necessarily, but a union member could be a socialist but pursue union activities and socialist activities.Still working on Lafargue's. Found this here where I don’t have to pay for it. http://www.marxists.org/archive/lafargue/1883/lazy/More later. Thanks again. Please don’t ban for me asking so much.
Wish you'ld site sources, but I'm bad about that too.Regarding the appeal of religion too, I'm an atheist, but I don't find having rational answers fulfills my needs. It is not sufficient. It doesn't bring me comfort or console me. Plus science can't answer everything. It is only one reason humans invented religion, there are others.
