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I think Ed is being a little paranoid. Let me explain. I was a member of the labour party for some years but left. Mainly because of favouritism. You were not allowed to challenge party officers for example, nor show any serious disagreements. This is why I found the SPGB so interesting. I have been reading the Standard and the website. The idea of a party without leaders and fovourites sound better than the Labour elite.That is why I am interested in and disappointed with this forum but thankyou for your time anyway
Ed wrote:aden wrote:This is a strange forum! What are your own members allowed to say? I have been reading articles over the last 3 months on your site and came across thishttp://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/socialist-standard/2010s/2012/no-1297-september-2012/50-years-ago-fascism-and-ignorance but I am disappointed to find that your own members are 'shouted down' and shut up via bans!Do you think it's ok to accuse members of being police infiltrators? In other words don't believe the hype
I have done some research on the site and your banned member definitely did not accuse anyone of being a police infiltrator, So your comment is untrue and inflammatory.In fact you have also referred to your comrades as the 'north east mafia'. Why have you not received a warning for these unless you are somehow favoured?My research indicates that your banned member used a lot less abuse and insinuation than most others on this forum including yourself
robbo203 wrote:The editorial from the Socialist Standard which Socialist Punk has pasted declares "We have always practised what we preach" Really? Always?This stands out like a sore thumb and makes the party look ridiculous. Spouting off about free speech and banning its own members.
ALB wrote:SocialistPunk wrote:May I suggest the forum members are allowed to discuss what they wish, so long as they refrain from personal abuse or insinuation.You may indeed as that is precisely the position on all our forums. It neatly sums up what the rules governing them say. It also implies that, if someone does use personal abuse and insinuation, there are sanctions to be applied. This is the common practice of all forums, whoever runs them.Incidentally, I drafted that editorial, so naturally I agree with it. After all, it's the Party case, which we apply to ourselves. And why we don't support "no platform for fascists"There are similar rules governing abusive behaviour and language at our meetings. As do other organisations. The chair can decide to ask someone they consider breaking this rule to leave the meeting room. If the meeting disagrees they can vote "that the chairman leave the chair". Again, standard practice and an essential condition for free debate.I don't want to go into the ins and outs of this particular case (passions are still running too high and the idea is to dampen things down nor add fuel to the flames) but the suspension or whatever against a forum member for infringing the rules is not at all the same as "censorship".As you say, forum members are free to discuss whatever they wish, so long as they refrain from personal abuse or insinuation.
So where did the banned member use abuse?
Ed wrote:aden wrote:This is a strange forum! What are your own members allowed to say? I have been reading articles over the last 3 months on your site and came across thishttp://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/socialist-standard/2010s/2012/no-1297-september-2012/50-years-ago-fascism-and-ignorancebut I am disappointed to find that your own members are 'shouted down' and shut up via bans!Do you think it's ok to accuse members of being police infiltrators? In other words don't believe the hype
I can't find anything like that said by the banned member, besides I thought you were against censorship and what 'hype' do you refer to? It seems unfair that you can attack him/her and he/she has been prevented from speaking. Are you a special member? Why are you allowed to continue your attack?
This is a strange forum! What are your own members allowed to say? I have been reading articles over the last 3 months on your site and came across thishttp://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/socialist-standard/2010s/2012/no-1297-september-2012/50-years-ago-fascism-and-ignorancebut I am disappointed to find that your own members are 'shouted down' and shut up via bans!
