Zionism and anti semitism
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March 4, 2019 at 11:59 am #184023alanjjohnstoneKeymaster
“…He himself has talked in the past about “the hand of Israel” subtly and secretly acting from a distance. And from there it is only a short hop to two ideas which seem to have spread from a small hard core rooted in the anti-imperialist far left out into the wider party. First, that Israel – and by extension Jewish people – must have something do with many of the “smears”. And second, that accusations of antisemitism usually have a concealed agenda…”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/04/labour-antisemitism-party-left-bigotry
This is no conspiracy theory without hard evidence yet supposedly well-informed journalists are neglecting to mention Israeli interference in UK politics, preferring perhaps to consider it an aberrant event and not policy.
The Union of Jewish Students (UJS) received money from the Israeli embassy, and attempted to influence the NUS presidency election, and even oust Bouattia following her victory.
During the Labour Party conference,Masot and Joan Ryan, a Labour MP and head of Labour Friends of Israel,alluded to a fund of more than £1m from the Israeli embassy used to send activists and politicians on paid trips to Israel.
A senior political officer at the Israeli embassy in London discusses a potential plot to ‘take down’ British politicians – including a minister.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/01/lobby-episode-4-takedown-170112091750073.html
The dispute with Williamson was a showing of a documentary in defence of expelled member Walker but little is made of the fact that Walker herself is Jewish.
Surely, the British intelligence agency should be investigating any plan by a foreign country to interfere in domestic politics. And surely it should be headline news and all those investigative reporters should be delving into the Friends of Israel’s role.
Who has heard of the Britain Israel Communications and Research Centre (BICOM)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_lobby_in_the_United_Kingdom
There is not so much apologetic response but acquiescence by the media.
The Tory Party, once the natural home of anti-Semitism, does not have any such problems…Or is it the fact that the Tories are not anti-Israel and therefore need not be targeted.
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March 4, 2019 at 1:59 pm #184025ALBKeymasterJust checked (didn’t want to go by her name alone) and that Mcdonagh woman is a Roman Catholic and a practising and active one. So what a cheek to accuse anticapitalists of being antisemitic. As if it wasn’t the Roman Catholic church that virtually invented antisemitism and sustained it for centuries. Her slander is like arguing: the Catholic religion teaches that the Jews killed their god, ergo they are anti Jewish people.
March 4, 2019 at 6:43 pm #184041JarvisYoghourtParticipantEveryone wants to rule the world. The wonderful news about socialism is that no-one will be able to.
Jarvis.
March 4, 2019 at 6:59 pm #184042AnonymousInactiveEveryone wants to rule the world. The wonderful news about socialism is that no-one will be able to.
Jarvis.
What do you mean by everyone ? What do you mean by no-one ? What is the relationship between socialism and Zionism and anti-semitism ?
Principles, no conspiracy theory
March 5, 2019 at 10:54 pm #184113alanjjohnstoneKeymasterThe Tories and Islamophobics
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/05/tories-suspend-14-members-over-alleged-islamophobia
March 6, 2019 at 5:55 am #184123ZJWParticipantALB, your #184020 and #184022:
Has this been — so far — the end of it? The theme has not been taken up certain sections of the media, or repeated by other politicians, that sort of thing?
March 7, 2019 at 2:27 am #184164alanjjohnstoneKeymasterI linked to a Guardian article in an earlier post, 184023
Here is a dissection of that article
It too discusses the link between the anti-Semite campaign and its purpose to disparage Labour’s supposed “anti-capitalism” and also refers to that McDonough interview.
Jonathan Cook is a commentator who I have read for a long while now, mostly on the Israeli/Palestinian issue. He increasingly demonstrates the quality of a Pilger/Fisk/Cockburn even if he fails to get published in the mainstream media
March 7, 2019 at 6:37 am #184165alanjjohnstoneKeymasterMarch 7, 2019 at 8:43 am #184166ALBKeymasterZJW, her stupid and nasty remark has been widely mentioned in the media. Just type “McDonagh antisemitism” into a search engine. I wouldn’t say that it has been taken up as part of the current smear campaign against Corbyn and the Labour Party. In fact most commentators have been critical. I would agree with the view expressed in this headline in that sensationalist rag the Daily Express that the interviewer himself was surprised at what he heard. Listen to exchange there and judge for yourself.
McDonagh is a friend of Joan Ryan, the chair of Labour Friends of Israel until she resigned to join the breakaway “Independent” group of MPs. So I imagine that this is the sort of thing they will have discussed privately as something to say but the main reason for the antisemitism smear campaign will be Corbyn’s pro-Palestine position rather than the anti-banksterism of some new recruits to the Labour from the Occupy milieu. Still any stick will do, though I suspect this one could be counter-productive. After all, “capitalism” has become a bit of a dirty word again and “anticapitalist” sentiments (if not understanding) have a fairly wide audience.
March 8, 2019 at 12:39 am #184183alanjjohnstoneKeymasterAnother Jonathan Cook article
The 1944 Labour Party position
“Let the Arabs be encouraged to move out, as the Jews move in.”
https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1945Berlinv02/d1345
“Israel’s reaction is natural and proper in refusing to accept the Palestinians as a nation.” – Harold Wilson, 1972.
March 8, 2019 at 1:54 am #184184alanjjohnstoneKeymasterWeekly Worker discusses anti-capitalism = anti-semitism
March 8, 2019 at 9:11 am #184246AnonymousInactiveIn the USA Congress passed a resolution relating anti-israel and anti-zionism with anti-semitism, but for anti-Mexican, anti-Blacks, anti-Latinos, anti-emigrants, or anti-Muslim they have not passed any resolution
March 8, 2019 at 11:46 pm #184258alanjjohnstoneKeymaster“Because the Democrats have become an anti-Israel party, they’ve become an anti-Jewish party.” – Trump
Confirming that to be anti-Israel means being anti-Semitic. Opposing the establishment of an independent nation of Scotland means you are anti-Scots. Full Stop.
March 9, 2019 at 7:29 am #184260ALBKeymasterI wonder if there is any significance in Trump using the less incendiary “anti-Jewish” rather than “anti-Semitic”? Even so, his statement infringes that IHRA definition of antisemitism by identifying all Jewish people with Israel. It’s probably just vote-catching anyway.
March 10, 2019 at 11:03 pm #184368alanjjohnstoneKeymasterWhere is all the condemnation?
“Israel is not a state of all its citizens. According to the basic nationality law we passed, Israel is the nation state of the Jewish people – and only it.” – Netanyahu
He repeated it
He called Israel a “the nation state not of all its citizens but only of the Jewish people”.
As for Arab-Israelis, almost a fifth of Israel’s population, they are granted the privilege of “equal rights” to Jews
“…there is no problem with the Arab citizens of Israel. They have equal rights like all of us and the Likud government has invested more in the Arab sector than any other government.”
But there are many laws endowing Israel’s Jewish citizens with special privileges that its Arab’s citizens do not possess.
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