WSPUS and Transgender
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March 3, 2021 at 8:18 am #214720AnonymousInactiveMarch 3, 2021 at 10:19 am #214741Jordan LeviParticipant
yeah, thomas, it gets ugly. lupron, for example, thins bones. it’s also being used off brand. it hasn’t been approved to be used as a puberty blocker, just for stage 4 cancer treatment. also, most kids who ID as trans end up turning out to just be gay before they finish puberty.
March 3, 2021 at 10:53 am #214744AnonymousInactiveChildren go through a latency period where they fall in love with members of their own sex, especially if attending single-sex schools.
March 3, 2021 at 10:57 am #214745DJPParticipantThere was a recent court case in the UK where a woman successfully sued for damages after being given puberty blockers.
Also in the UK, schools are no longer allowed to push the “born in the wrong body” narrative
https://www.thearticle.com/the-sexist-reality-behind-the-transgender-narrative
https://thecritic.co.uk/the-sexist-pseudoscience-of-gender-identity/March 3, 2021 at 11:09 am #214746AnonymousInactiveThanks for these links. Very useful.
March 4, 2021 at 11:27 am #214814DJPParticipant“Loose thinking leads to the loose use of words, but the loose use of words also leads to loose thinking.”
Time to allow Labourites and Leninists to say they are socialists then? Why not?
Out of interest where does this quote come from? To be honest, I don’t think who said had much of a grip on how language works.
March 4, 2021 at 12:17 pm #214817AnonymousInactiveIt is George Orwell, and makes a lot of sense to me.
March 4, 2021 at 12:43 pm #214819DJPParticipantDepends what you’re talking about I guess. Some concepts are unavoidably fuzzy, especially those used in politics.
I prefer Nietzsche, “it is only that which has no history which can be defined”
March 5, 2021 at 10:46 am #214883DJPParticipant“My name is Zoe and I am a trans-woman. By this I mean that I was assigned male at birth but identify as a woman. This raises the question of how I know that I’m a trans woman? People who ask this often expect to be provided with some systematic list of reasons as if I were explaining how I know that it is raining. One’s internal sense of self is not, however, the same as the weather. We can both look out the window and easily observe the weather together. You cannot, however, jump inside my head and experience life as I do. Instead you have to rely on my highly in-adequate attempts at conveying the richness and complexity of my first person experience to you. I might tell a person that I find a joke funny but this is not the same as successfully conveying to them how it felt to find the joke funny. Likewise, I can tell a person that I feel like a woman but this will not successfully convey to them my inner experience of this feeling.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOdChL4tKjg
https://anarchopac.wordpress.com/2018/01/11/im-a-trans-woman/
I’m thinking Jordan’s attempt to find a “falsifiable” definitions misses the point somehow..
March 5, 2021 at 10:50 am #214884DJPParticipantOne can’t resolve one’s misery under capitalism by blaming or picking at gender
I don’t think anyone claims to be “choosing” their gender. Things that we would recognise as transgenderism pre-date capitalism, therefore there’s no reason to think that it would not exist post-capitalism either.
March 5, 2021 at 11:01 am #214885AnonymousInactiveWhile true that there are those born hermaphrodite (the original meaning of bisexual) and those with hormone imbalances, this is not the issue here.
March 5, 2021 at 11:07 am #214887AnonymousInactiveIn socialism one would obviously be free to do anything that does not injure others.
This does not alter the fact that there are two genders. Hermaphrodites have aspects of both and are not a separate gender (in case you pick me up on my having mentioned them). Nor are they “transgender.”
March 5, 2021 at 11:26 am #214891AnonymousInactiveJordan, check out a very funny short story by the marquis de Sade: Augustine de Villeblanche.
March 5, 2021 at 12:04 pm #214896DJPParticipantWhile true that there are those born hermaphrodite (the original meaning of bisexual) and those with hormone imbalances, this is not the issue here.
That’s not what I’m talking about, and not relevant. In lots of historical societies, there have been people born male or female who have lived their lives as a member of the opposite sex. Whatever that means changes depending on the context of what society it is happening in. It’s nothing new.
March 5, 2021 at 12:19 pm #214898AnonymousInactiveDoesn’t alter the fact there are only two genders.
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